Is Mexico Safe?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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  2. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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  3. Bato

    Bato Been here awhile

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    Or you could just ware your leather gloves guero :rofl

    Saludos Jimmex let me know when your coming down south :freaky
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    jimmex Guero con moto

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  5. dcstrom

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    As I understand it, the policy doesn't specify a US hospital, rather, the "hospital of your choice". I confirmed this with them before I left the US. In my case, my family is in Australia, and if there was a circumstance where I might be hospitalized for a longer term, I might prefer it to be in Australia. Of course there'd be other factors, like whether my condition would allow for the longer trip, but at least the option is there should I want it.
  6. SR

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  7. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    This is true.

    I was using the U.S. as a generic example.
  8. BobLoblaw

    BobLoblaw Comfortably Numb

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  9. MikeMike

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    Damn SR! You never cease to amaze me. Reminds me of the first one I ever bought from a street vendor near the old entrance to Xochimilco back in 1978. Had it for years and then it got lost during about a zillion moves.
    Nice collection, more people should appreciate your generosity when they are gifted to them.

    Now, to insurance, medivacs, etc...
    I think it is important to mention that the ambulance you will get might be a your buddy's bike, an old truck, a bus, a taxi, pretty much damn near anything. Even major metro areas do not always have what someone might consider to pass for an ambulance available to an accident victim. If you are lucky it will be from the Red Cross with someone with some training. If you aren't, it could be something like being on the back of my bike, like what happened here awhile back. Just because you have a Don Chingon insurance policy it doesn't mean diddly to anyone helping you out. People here don't usually screw around waiting for something better to come along, they have learned the problems with that over the last few centuries. Also, the clinic you arrive at might be a penthouse or an outhouse, it'll be luck of the draw, especially if you are not coherent, or can't make yourself understood. Like Redman said, "You have to first survive the first aid". A functioning American Express card or cash will trump almost anything unless you happen to hit the pavement outside the ABC, Los Angeles, etc... hospitals.
    Also, having any quantity of liability insurance is only worth something if they can get you amparo'ed ASAP because that is what is going to get you out. How well they can do this is going to be the real test. No amparo, you'll be inside for awhile until you can get things sorted out, but if you are guilty, with no amparo, you will have a real tough time.

    I don't know if any of this is of use to anyone on here, but it seems there are some people that are contemplating first time trips south or even a trip after a real long time since the last one. Your options if you have a problem become limited real fast and having either a lawyer or even a buddy who is sharp, can help you get the best of what is available. I find the recent spate of bad luck of some riders to be worth studying and see if there is anything to learn from.
  10. MikeMike

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    Thanks for letting me borrow those boots, Bob! :evil

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  11. BobLoblaw

    BobLoblaw Comfortably Numb

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    recurso de amparo OK I googled it, however could you provide an example of how this actually works
  12. TRAVELGUY

    TRAVELGUY Old Traveler

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  13. Craneguy

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  14. dcstrom

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  15. MikeMike

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    Bob, I think there is a guy who is an actual lawyer here who can probably give you more insight, I recall seeing his posts from time to time.
    Basically, the application for an amparo and it being granted, will give you time to begin protecting yourself and keep you out of the "formal prison" stage where you go to jail. Being held by a judicial force here is not the same as being sent to an actual penitentiary which is what you want to avoid, obviously. The problem happens when people have no automatic judicial representation through their insurance policy, then you are on your own to navigate the ins and outs of the system (emphasis on the outs rather than the ins) because you have no court appointed attorney like in the US etc... Without any effective representation you at the mercy or whims of the judges who can take a very long time to process your case. Meanwhile, you are cooling your heels. It will get more complicated with a vehicle impounded. It can also take awhile to get you any help at all from an embassy and if you don't speak Spanish or can't read it, the wait for translations will be mind numbing and unless someone outside is putting pressure on the authorities you are going to be getting no special treatment and you will be waiting a long time for things to move. The lawyers for the insurance company know the system. I can't stress this enough, but if you have ever seen how things actually work here, you would understand why. I know you can imagine it, but it is often far worse than you can imagine. You can spend 6 months to a year just waiting to be processed and in that case it is "formal prison" to the best of my knowledge. I haven't seen any exceptions. An amparo will not take away the charges against you, but it will keep you out of a penitentiary while you are awaiting your trial.
    Oddly enough here, sometimes it isn't a question of money, in some instances that won't make any difference, but knowing a good lawyer or, better yet, a judge, will be your best bet.
    A lot of Mexican riders carry zero insurance, believe it or not, but they are the ones who know that connections count.
    They are in their country and willing to carry the risk. Personally, I would never ride without insurance and without my personal health insurance plan here. For me, it is like a maintenance cost for the bike, I just factor it in.
    I don't think I am telling you much more than you already know, but maybe the guy who is the attorney can chime in if he is reading this.
  16. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Christmas is just over two weeks away,

    At that time, for the first time, we won't be at home. Heading for warm waters and México.

    The gang is on an expedition, in part to a cenote in the Yucatán. I've explained to them what a cenote is, and they all wanted to explore one for themselves.

    They're starting to make a list for departure. The Yucatán mood around Casa Tricepilot is like this:

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    I'm intent on starting their own México addiction. :freaky
  17. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    I took this photo in Creel, but this guy from Canada was hit by a drunk teen in Durango on a Sunday morning.

    He cooled his heels in jail until sprung by his moto-insurance provided lawyer.

    The teen was found guilty, and, in a touching twist of compassion, David went to bat for the family of the teen and kept him out of prison.
  18. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Last year in Durango, in connection with the Mexico BMW rally, riders were returning to the city from a day trip when, tragically, a child ran into the street and was fatally struck by one of the bikes.

    Insurance is sometimes a theoretical subject. But when something very bad happens, it's your net between the bridge and the water.
  19. Bato

    Bato Been here awhile

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    Trice ., PENA NIETO was happy to hear you going to Mexico:clap follow the link to a closer look of EL COMANDANTE SUPREMO
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  20. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Then I turn around a couple weeks later, and, by moto, return to México with los perros sucios

    :rofl

    I think I'll have some moto shirts made up with that :freaky