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Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.
Who let the dog out?
That Hyundai was made in India ?
Imagine this smothered in maple syrup
Thanks, Miguelito, for the info.
Are you referring to the road between H. del Parral and Creel that looks to be Ch23?
Is there a RR or vid of that route? And is that the one in the news lately with the roadblock? Still waiting on the arrival of some better maps. I find Google maps tough for planning as there's little detail until you are zoomed in so far there is no sense of scale.
The new style Tourist Card introduced a year or two ago is good for
Multiple entries and exits across the USA border . I did that this year ,
returnIng within its valid time , never had a problem even after canceling the TVIP
because I intended to come back to Mexico with a different vehicle.
If you exit Mexico to Guatemala and Belize the Mexican customs are unavoidable
and they will ask you to hand in the Tourist Card and get an exit ( Salida) stamp
in your passport . But if you intend to turn around and travel back through Mexico
to the USA before your TVIP expires you DO NOT NEED TO CANCEL THE TVIP.
before you enter Central America
This saves you and BANJERCITO the bother of refunding the Security Deposit plu s
you avoid the cost of buying a new TVIP for the return trip .
At the norther border with the USA you can simply pass through the inland
Aduana terminal and NOBODY WILL DEMAND that you hand in or cancel
ANYTHING . You are expected to know enough. Same at the actual border, you can
ride straight into the US Customs . Only the bridge toll booth will stop you.
You are free to keep your documents in effect until the day they expire.
But on or before that day you must visit the Mexcan customs office at ANY border
crossing to cancel the TVIP AND YOUR TOURIST CARD. You must bring the exact same
vehicle as is described on the TVIP .if you cannot present that same vehicle
you can not cancel the TVIP
If you are late you can kiss your refundable Securiy Deposit goodbye
If you're familiar with who Mutt Lange is, this is additional proof that he's an idiot
Gives me a woody just imagining it.
Thanks for the reply. I have crossed enough latin america borders to know that things aren't always done to the letter of the law, but I am trying to educate myself on when I am skirting the law with the recent Mexican changes. I found the actual Mexican statute:
DE LA ESTANCIA DE EXTRANJEROS EN EL TERRITORIO NACIONAL
Artículo 52. Los extranjeros podrán permanecer en el territorio nacional en las condiciones de estancia de visitante, residente temporal y residente permanente, siempre que cumplan con los requisitos establecidos en esta Ley, su Reglamento y demás disposiciones jurídicas aplicables, de conformidad con lo siguiente:
I. VISITANTE SIN PERMISO PARA REALIZAR ACTIVIDADES REMUNERADAS. Autoriza al extranjero para transitar o permanecer en territorio nacional por un tiempo ininterrumpido no mayor a ciento ochenta días, contados a partir de la fecha de entrada, sin permiso para realizar actividades sujetas a una remuneración en el país.
I emphasized the "tiempo ininterrumpido" part, which I translate as "for an uninterrupted time of not more than 180 days". The key phrase being uninterrupted, which supports what the border guard told me about single entry on the FMM.
I'm just being anal about this because I went to baja in March, and didn't cancel my FMM when I left, but went to Acuna before it expired to cancel it, and the guard there told me I had left Mexico illegally, but let me slide and stamped my passport. Then I crossed at Laredo in September and asked the guy there if the FMM was good for multiple entries and he said no, as I said in my original post. So I cancelled my FMM and TVIP when I crossed into Guatemala, and got new ones on the way back, but it would be cheaper and easier to not have to do that. And I have kept them open in the good old FMT days. So I have two border guards, plus my shaky spanish translation of the statute that say it is single entry.
I'll look into the TVIP thing later when my head doesn't hurt.
Of course there is also the saying, " No matter how beautiful a woman is, somewhere, some guy is sick of putting up with her shit"
Rhode Trip: As a general reference and if you are only going on major roads city to city the AAA map is surprisingly good. Next would be the Guia Roja Tourist Road Atlas, a very hefty book, next level of detail if you have a Garmin GPS would be the North America NT, and drill down even further to the BiciMapas 2013 version for Garmin GPS that was updated only last week. There is an interesting effect when you have the Garmin NANT and BiciMapas loaded. In some areas where they do not exactly coincide the map in the screen dithers a bit between the two so the streets shift very slightly between the two data bases. The BiciMapas is a $99 download and you need to have Garmin Mapsource software loaded on your PC (not Mac compatible) This said I have no doubt that 9 of the other weisenheimers on this thread will have ten different answers for you. The proof is in pointing south, pushing the start button, engaging first gear and twisting the throttle... I learn something new everyday and it is nothing like riding en el norte... abort any preconceived notions about anything... especially road conditions and time and distance traveled.
OK. Outside of Gomez Palacio I see three Ford F350 size pickups with Federales in full tactical gear, heavy machine guns mounted on the trucks, guys in full Kevlar armor, and they are patrolling the cuoto while off to the Northwest 4 lovely, innocent, religious women are being murdered for their 2012 Jetta and cash. WTF! When I was in Vietnam is there was trouble on one of the roads the engineers ran a five ton dump truck with a quad fifty mounted in the bed and ammunition everywhere... one trip down the road and there was no more trouble... we did have to pay the plantation owners about .25 cents for every rubber tree we demolished but there were no more ambushes. Who calls the shots down here? (Rhetorical question)
Hilarious! When I posted the Mutt Lange thing this is the exact quote running through my mind
I hit a dead end using that link, try this one and see your PM for tips how to make a link like this:
The Way South
He doesn't need tips on making links.
The original link to his original ride report was fine, but that first version of his ride report was deleted.
When I got my TVIP & Tourist Card in Agua Prieta in October I asked several times about multiple entries and the guy that I got the Tourist Card from, who fortunately spoke a little English, assured me it was good for multiple entries.
Just curious as to why those four ladies were carrying "substantial" amount of cash while traveling to a funeral. I usually don't find much need for substantial cash when I attend funerals.
Speculation of this sort is pretty much useless. People carry cash for lots of reasons, not all of them suspect.
RE; the UNINTERRUPTED visit of Mexico
....................................................................... precisely worded and nevertheless open to interpretation.
Her is how it works....
When you leave Mexico for an " interruption" back in the USA you DO NOT go to the trouble of getting yourself checked out of Mexico. That is so easy to do, you simply do not go in at the Migracion office to get a Salida stamp in your passport which would require that you also cancel your Tourist Card.
As I explained earlier , when you leave Mexico at the US border the Migracion and Banjercito workers do not come running out of their office to tackle the gringo heading north to take away his documents, nor do they take your temperature and check your diaper ( that is done by US customs when you enter the Homeland ...) . At the Mexican inland Aduana terminals they only check inbound tourist traffic documentation, You are free to cross back and forth between the Zona Fronteriza and the interior as often as you wish while retaining your documents..
When you cross the border to the USA in this manner you are technically still registered as being IN Mexico , legally until the last day of validity of your Tourist Card and TVIP.
When you return to continue your stay in Mexico you are all set up with the documentation. Nobody at the border will flinch if in the cursory random inspection you hold up your current and valid documents. .
Likewise when you get to the inland Migracion checkpoint your documents will be accepted without a problem. .
The only time when you will get yourself into trouble is if you do not cancel the documents before going to the USA and then fail to return at least to the Mexican border terminal with the very same bike BEFORE the expiry date of said documents. That means if you show up with expired documents and you ask that they be cancelled you are exceding the permitted stay period . You will possibly face a fine. You will definitely NOT get your Security Deposit back .
This is the detailed background and explains what Kobukan was correctly told . It was also explained in this way to me by the Mexican Migracion worker this past April as I was cancelling my Tourist Card document in order to cross into Belize at Subte Lpoez QRO where cancellation IS mandatory for the Tourist Card but NOT the TVIP.
This also shows that the TVIP is considered to be a multiple entry document , so why would the Tourist Card for the sqme person be any different ? Such variation is illogical. but is applied at te Central American border end of Mexico, not at the USA side.
If the Migracion workers at the USA side of Mexico are going to raise an issue about it the simple way to avoid that is to clam up about your
travels. No need to get chatty and explain that you have been bouncing back and forth between the two countries - just say you had an excelent 6 month stay in Mexico and you forgot where all you have been, so dazzled by the experience are you. .