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Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.
Woody is flattered that you think of him at such a time
Ace asked a valid question.
Things are different here. Some people have a hard time using banks due to proximity problems and taxation. I doubt most Americans would use banks if the government monitored your deposits and automatically taxed you if you exceed a certain amount of deposits per month. In fact, I doubt most Americans would tolerate most of the government controls here like on traveler's checks, etc...
This time of year, some businesses accumulate a lot of cash selling certain goods only for December, like salted cod for the Christmas table, kid's toys for Christmas and 3 Kings Day, cases of liquor that have fallen out of container shipments in the port, etc...
Deposits are not the easiest thing to do in a lot of banks because of the insane lineups. Carrying that amount of cash is not that big a deal here or really something that is out of the ordinary. A lot of people prefer cash here, you get a better price on things. The government has put a limit on business cash purchases but for private use, cash is king.
What was out of the ordinary is that they elected to disregard some info, they didn't have a driver or even another male occupant in the vehicle. It is not usual to see that many women in a car without a male in the vehicle, unless they are nuns, and they don't drive very much.
People are paying attention to that norteno highway murder, but nobody paid any attention to the entire family that was shot and killed south of Veracruz, not far from Tuxtapec that happened just a short while after one rider on this forum passed through there.
Funny how some people react to one killing, but on another stretch of highway that is frequented fairly often by riders, nobody pays attention to the events.
Keep an ear to the ground throughout your trip, listen to the locals, make your risk assessment as Trice would say, and then plan your ride and ride your plan.
Simple as that.
That is what people do that live here, you should do the same.
When you come to Mexico you should ride like a local rider. You are expected to because you are on a motorcycle.
Enjoy it. You can't do that in the USA.
Will I avoid the Tierra Blanca/Tuxtepec area? Probably. But not because of some politically related murders, I really don't like the Tierra Blanca stretch because there are way too many accidents and hit and runs. Tuxtepec to Oaxaca is better, you can access it via Tlacotalpan instead of Tierra Blanca and it is a nicer ride.
I avoid Tierra Blanca more for the traffic incidents, but I avoided Martinez de la Torre for a few months when things were hot up there. Now, I've been there 3 times in the last 3 weeks because they've cleaned out most of the problems.
Again, local citizen or local rider info will trump Borderland Beat or any other slow news gathering agency (relatively speaking). Though, to be fair to Borderland Beat, they don't really specialize in all of Mexico. Notimex will get you that. I never read Borderland Beat because it is too slow in reporting things. I think of it as the Guia Roji of news agencies. It is popular with some people because it is in English.
Here's what most people and Borderland Beat missed:
Ejecutan a familia en la carretera Tuxtepec, Santa Cruz
Tuxtepec, Oax., 20 de Diciembre de 2012.- El pasado martes ejecutaron una pareja sentimental y un menor de edad Ismael Soto, chofer del ex pistolero Andrés Valencia Álvarez del ex tinto líder de la UGOCP, Margarito Montes Parra, cuatro sujetos que viajaban a bordo de un auto compacto de color gris, a la altura del paraje el Zapote pertenece a las Peñitas Veracruz.
Según los hechos se registró alrededor 10.15 de la mañana de ayer en el kilómetro 175 de vía federal Tuxtepec Santa Cruz, a la altura del Zapote, una camioneta con caja metálica de color roja la cual transportaba pertenencias diversas que se dirigía para esta ciudad fueron alcanzados por cuatro sujetos que venían a bordo de un Tsur de color gris con placas de circulación MKT 80-24 del estado de México el cual tiene reporte por robo.
El vehículo donde viajaban las familias de Valencia una camioneta Dodge media cabina color rojo placas XV 375 573 del estado veracruzano.
Pero según testigos que pasaron por el lugar señalan que el conductor de la camioneta respondió la agresión armada por lo que los sicarios abrieron fuego con sus armas hasta darles muertes a los ocupantes de la unidad entre ellos un menor de edad.
En el lugar se encontraron 38 casquillos percutidos de calibre 9 mm., los abatidos por los grupos de los sicarios respondieron a los nombres de Andrés Valencia Álvarez que reportes policiaco lo señalan como ex pistolero del extinto Montes Parra quien fue líder de la UGOCP aquí en la cuenca, en donde también fue acribillado el mes de octubre del 2009 en su estado Sonora.
De la misma forma perdió la vida Ana Mijangos Méndez de 25 años con domicilio calle 5 de febrero colonia 20 de noviembre de Tres Valles Veracruz, así mismo Andrés Valencia Mijangos edad de 7 años que desafortunadamente las balas las alcanzaron .
Al lugar hizo su arribo la subprocuraduría de justicia de Cosamalopan y personal de los servicios periciales.
L a unidad en que se desplazaba los sicarios recibió varios impactos de bala por lo que se cree que Andrés, aun herido de muerte logró asentar varios disparos al Tsuru que fue localizado a la altura de la congregación de San Antonio Texas Veracruz.
Por lo que los occisos su pareja eran comerciantes tianguistas que se instalan en Ciudad Alemán y territorio Oaxaqueños y que pertenecían a la UGOCP por lo que se supone ya lo traían cerca.
Por lo que los jefes policiaco pues trataron de impedir los trabajos de los medios de comunicación, esto lo tenían que hacer con el crimen organizados que tiene aterrorizado al estado vecino de Veracruz.
So that's why you had me wear the Evil Kinevil suit and ride point!
Actually, that is why the Mystery Rider and I had you ride at the back. We needed fresh bait.
I think that decal on the V-Strom scared them off.
Is that like the german snipers and three cigarette lights... They see you, get excited by the shiny Harley then grab the poor British sap at the end?
Not sure, but the road block took place about 20 miles or so from Guachochi. I'm assuming the women from Cuahtemoc were traveling south to Parral then west to Guachochi. If they went another way, it would involve taking their new Jetta on a lot of dirt roads. There was a gunfight around Guadalupe y Calvo, (west of parral on rt.24), not long ago and the area is definitely under the influence of cartel(s). I've ridden around those parts in the past few years with no problem. YMMV. My guess, is that since this incident, there is more of a police presence in the area, and it would not be as dangerous to travel there at present, but I'm just guessing really. I would definitely not be riding around after dark here, or just about anywhere in Mexico if for no other reason than the surplus of livestock on the roads. If you had more time, I'd recommend coming down further south and exploring the Sierra Gorda.
All I said is I am curious. I happen to think curiosity and speculation are healthy traits.
Happens between men and women all the time
We all speculate, it can be fun but it is essentially useless. No offense intended
No offense taken. You are wrong that speculation is useless. It is the very beginning of discovery and understanding.
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Imagine that smothering my face!
Maybe John Lennon was right !
MikeMike, are you talking about me? I left Tuxtapec on the 19th, shooting was on the 20th. I seem to be hitting the hot spots this trip - the Creel-Guanchochi road a week before the roadblock and murders there, then just missed out taking this route (from Miguelito "There was a gunfight around Guadalupe y Calvo, (west of parral on rt.24), not long ago and the area is definitely under the influence of cartel(s).") after an old guy at the OXXO, said "solo, no". Now Tuxtepec. And yet I haven't had a moment when I didn't feel safe. Lucky, stupid, or is there really not much the average rider needs to worry about? The way I look at it, your luck might run out one day, but that can happen anywhere anytime...
Oh and PS - this from the Google Translate version;
several shots at Tsuru that was located at the height of the congregation of San Antonio Texas Veracruz.
I nearly stopped there to take a pic of the town name, thought San Antonio Texas was kind of a weird name for a town in Mexico...
San Cristobal looks like it might be a cool place, could be a good next stop, only a few hours from Palenque - anyone know a good place to stay?
BTW Tricepilot, where do I find "your girl" in Palenque?
DC, how long were you in the Veracruz area?
Here's a map I just made for you.
The parking area shown on the left is the upper parking area which I've always called the main parking area. It is the parking location closest to the ruins. There is a lower parking area which will bring you in the "back" way to the main plaza, which involves an uphill hike all the way. I recommend the upper parking area which will bring you to the "main" entrance portal to the grand plaza.
Ester is usually to be located selling her artesanias behind The Palace. The dotted blue line is the suggested route from the main (upper) parking lot, past the Temple of the Inscriptions, around The Palace, to the area where you should find her. That spot is depicted by the red circle.
Give me an idea of when you'll be at Palenque and I'll let her know to be on the lookout for you. I'll also verify with her the spot you should find her.
Here is a photo of The Palace with a red arrow pointing behind it to the location I would expect you to find her, and the blue dotted line from the upper parking area. Once you arrive between at the spot between the Temple of the Inscriptions and the The Palace, you'll have to have a pretty good idea of what she looks like, as there are a lot of folks selling artesanias.
Let me know whether or not you have your Spanish down pretty good
SR, we were only discussing those taxis the other day weren't we? You decided to see what they are made of?
Ah crap - I missed her! Was at the ruins earlier. For some reason I was thinking she was in town. Good effort on the maps though, I appreciate it.
Today was pissing down rain - disappointing, but not the end of the world :lol
I made the trip out to the Ruinas anyway. I should have taken the underwater camera... I had a plastic sleeve to keep the DSLR dry, which sorta worked.
I felt sorry for the vendors - maybe Esther wasn't even there?
These guys didn't seem to mind.
And then, BLAMO!!
Someone blasts them with a laser pointer.