Is Mexico Safe?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. mark883

    mark883 and the mysterians

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    Great pics RMO.

    I'd like to get to that part of Mexico sometime.
  2. rockymountainoyster

    rockymountainoyster Been here awhile

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    Great ride. No fotos. Was booking it. Hwy. 180 has some great twisty bits but with a fearsomely uneven surface in places. There was a a pizza delivery guy on some kind of Chinese 125 down in one of the potholes. The only thing that kept him from falling all the way back to China was that box on the back of the scoot. I slowed down enough that he could grab my crash bar and come flying out of there... good thing because there was a doble remolque loaded with more Chinese shit bearing down on us.

    I again salute you iron butts who pound out 500 miles in a day. In this heat and humidity 300 miles was plenty for this old boy.

    Don't wear shorts and sandals when you go out for dinner at night here. My legs have been devoured my no see'ems while I was writing this...

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  3. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    I am in Panama City and have a few questions???

    How do you find the location where you can watch the ships pass through the canal? I have Panama Maps in my GPS, so an address would be great!

    From where do the sail boats depart that carry the motos to Columbia? Not heading further south this trip, but will be in the future. :d

    In following CA1 to its end at the Darien Straight, how is the availability of fuel and motels after leaving Panama? :huh

    Thanks! :clap
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  4. miguelito

    miguelito Been here awhile

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    I guess you're never really safe on a motorcycle. I stopped for a break in Jalpan today, and met three guys on their sport bikes and full racing leathers. They took off first. I finished my break, then left Restaurante Karina's wondering how fast and how far they had gone.

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    Above Pinal de Amoles, I saw them with two other riders parked by the side of the road, helmets off. I gave them the *thumbs up* and they returned it, so I rode on, enjoying getting my chicken strips disappeared on the new bike. About 15 minutes later I heard the high pitched whine of their motors behind me, and waved them around. They were flying, and as much as the Oyster thinks I'm fast, these guys were tearing it up, using both lanes, and simulating a track day on one of the greatest motorcycling roads in Mexico. I soon lost sight of them, and about 5 minutes later, I came around a curve below the village of Camargo, to find two of them in the road, waving me to slow down.

    I immediately saw why. One of the riders who had joined them when I passed them, apparently had a head-on with a car coming the other way. I am not sure if the error was hers or the driver of the car, but his car was a a standstill in his own lane. I think the rider was a girl, but never saw her with her helmet off. Her friends and some other by-standers were fishing her out of some brush about 15 feet below the roadbed. She had a leather jacket and full face helmet, but just jeans on her legs. I helped the other two drag her bike off the road, then we all gathered sand and dust to throw over the oil spill area. They got her into a car to drive her the 70 miles or so to a hospital in Queretaro.

    It was a sobering moment, and I left after most of it was under control. I found myself riding with a heightened sense of caution and the tenuousness of being after that. Say some prayers for a fellow biker tonight inmates. I hope she will recover fully.

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    Her bike after we dragged it to the inside of the curve.

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    Her tank was over the guardrail on the outside of the curve.

    Ride wrecklessly amigos.
  5. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan There, that's it

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  6. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan There, that's it

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    October, Amigo.

    October.

    Still owe you a Oaxaca trip.
  7. mark883

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  8. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Miguelito. Sad scene. Hope the rider is OK. "Using both lanes" will get you an ass chewing if I'm around. I ride pretty fast but dang. If ya can't stay in your own lane, slow the fuck down. "Maintain lane discipline." I preach it often.
  9. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Prayers for this rider.

    Your photo of her broken bike is indeed sobering for all of us :pope
  10. airdale7

    airdale7 Been here awhile

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    I will be watching for your RR on this stretch Donnie. Hope you remember to charge your camera batteries.
    Looks like the pavement ends in Yaviza at a river. I'm scanning Panaramio but not finding a bridge except a very narrow foot bridge. Might have to take a (water) taxi across. I see pickup trucks and buses, there must be fuel somewhere.

    GOOD Luck
  11. Jick Magger

    Jick Magger Exile on Main Street

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    Sad scene Miguelito. Its all about arriving at your destination in one piece so we get to do it again. Hope she survives without any serious injuries.
  12. miguelito

    miguelito Been here awhile

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    I'm on the same page as you on this one buddy. As JicK said:
  13. Craneguy

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    Since you can find yourself in a head-on situation in your own lane, going into the other is not a smart move.

    I hope she's OK and her buddies learned a valuable lesson.

    I met a taxi in my lane in a blind corner a few weeks ago. I jinked over and just missed him. The look on his face was priceless... wide open mouth and eyes as big as saucers. I was fine...it was my third near-miss of the day and I guess I was used to it. For the record all three involved taxis, although in one the taxi only played a supporting role to a U turning concrete truck. Happy days...
  14. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan There, that's it

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    Had a fellow rider blow a few turns like that down in Mexico on the Espinazo del Diablo. When he failed to understand my concern I explained that I was at risk at least as much as he was since an oncoming driver will be trying to miss him while heading directly into me following behind. Been there, done that.

    If you find yourself riding with someone who doesn't practice good "lane discipline", as SOG put it, you need to solve for that straight away. Life is short enough as it is.

    Hope this rider gets the chance to learn and get back on a bike.
  15. miguelito

    miguelito Been here awhile

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    Hah! Lane-swapping aside, for me it distills down to my very basic sense that they were going way too fast for a public road. I remember after they passed me, I actually rode a bit less aggressively.
  16. miguelito

    miguelito Been here awhile

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    Another thing I thought of was: What if I were riding in the opposite direction and we intersected? Chances are even if we missed the head-on there would be a high probability that at least one rider would be thrown far enough off his line that tragedy would be almost inevitable. You can only hope that that someone is not yourself.
  17. WeazyBuddha

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    On a related subject, thoughts in regard to the bizarre way that Mexicans handle left turns? Lightcycle mentioned the subject in his (excellent) RR. Those of us who live on the U.S. side of the border are at risk with this practice too. I came literally within inches of having a bad accident due to this practice a few years back.

    To recap the practice, Mexicans turn on their left turn signal to indicate to a following vehicle that it is clear to pass. When making an actual left turn they pull off to the right, wait for traffic to clear and then turn. A complication is that the practice is not followed uniformly so one never knows what the car in front of you is going to do. It's a bit unnerving.

    I do have to say that other than things like this weird left turn practice I 'kinda like the organic way that traffic flows in Mexico. It has a rhythm that works fairly well e.g. passing with oncoming traffic, cars just make room. Something like that would be freaking people out in the U.S., calls to 911 would ensue. :lol3
  18. MikeMike

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    The left turn signal, like riding in a staggered formation (on anything other than a perfectly smooth cuota road) is a myth in Mexico. Not all Mexican drivers pull over for the left turn.

    What I have found to be true throughout Mexico, is that drivers hug the centreline and will often cross it in corners. I try, believe it or not, to leave a distance from the centreline whenever possible when I cant see oncoming traffic like on mountain corners. It might be cosidered counter-intuitive to not try to "see" around a corner, but having seen enough bus and taxi grills, I like my method.

    Cross the line, run the risk. I have seen video footage of habitual line crossers on Suzukis and Harleys.:eek1

    Organic traffic flow in Mexico is an optical illusion. Spend a day watching the third lane idea being
    abused and ignored by drivers with plates from all over Mexico.

    What is true is that drivers here expect you to ride a motorcycle like Mexican riders do and they will get confused when you dont. I know that Schizz will back me on that.
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    Top tip # 234

    Never bring weapons over the border...and if you do, keep them out of sight. :1drink

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  20. MikeMike

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    Craneguy has tapped into Eric Holder's personal porn stash.