Is Mexico Safe?

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Arte, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Love it MikeMike.
  2. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    Laughter! It's the best medicine! I tried it with Rocky Mountain Oyster, but he didn't like it. Now that I have his attention maybe he'll remember to send me the PM he mentioned!:deal Actually, RMO does have one of the best deadpan sense of humour I have witnessed. At first I thought it was just because he's old.:eek1
  3. SR

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    GS, how long are you in Maz til? I'll come visit you. Lets go hit Las Changueras! Maybe run up to Cosala?

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  4. andyc740

    andyc740 Guzzi wrangler

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    I've got a solution: the state government should charge the municipios an annual tope license fee and require they be repainted every six months in three contrasting colors, maybe red, green and white. They also would need a small sign by each one with the tope number and the current tope license sticker attached. The state then needs a hotline where any non-compliant tope can be reported.:evil

    Makes sense to me.
  5. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    That is because you ride a Guzzi, you are pragmatic, and you full on whacked that set on the bridge near Palma Sola! I heard the thud. In fact, I think it woke Bato up.
  6. Turkeycreek

    Turkeycreek Gringo Viejo

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    Have a design contest for the elementary school kids, they can't do worse
    or just look on the web. The design is there to steal from any state's DOT web site
  7. evilwerkz

    evilwerkz Time to ride....

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    ACAPULCO to ZIHUATANEJO road is now OPEN, passed trough it yesterday, all the broken bridges have been bypassed, bleak sight when you pass by the COYUCA one, but the road is OPEN
  8. Craneguy

    Craneguy British Hooligan

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    All this talk of modifying topes is pointless. As soon as you fix one the Topecabra will come out after dark and lay a new one.

    El Topecabra will not be denied! :deal

    You're not alone. Here in Oman they have taken to them with equal enthusiasm. They also have speed cameras. Luckily the fixed fine for speeding is $26 and no points!

    I just picked up my 2010 KLR650 weekend toy, and I discovered on the ride home that topes can be fun if you have sufficient ground clearance and suspension travel and can see them coming.

    I remember seeing a prototype years ago for an inflatable speed bump. If you are going the speed limit, a valve lets the air out and you don't feel it. Go too fast and the valve stays closed and you get a jolt. I wonder what became of them?

    Edit: I found an article about a similar system...and it looks like they are being considered for Mexico city! (Scroll down to see the story) http://www.prism-magazine.org/dec09/briefings.cfm

    TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT Smart, Smooth, and Slow Few cities have more speed bumps than Mexico City. It is home to at least 18,000. They’ve proliferated, in part, because local police rarely enforce traffic laws – or are willing to accept small bribes from speeders, according to Jose Luis Camba, a professor of civil engineering at the National Autonomous University of Mexico.
    The government, he told USA Today, “takes the easy way out and builds a speed bump.” But a 2006 study at the university found that as cars negotiate speed bumps, braking and re-accelerating, they waste gas and increase emissions in a city already choking on pollution.
    So Mexico’s Decano Industries is developing a “smart” speed bump fashioned from two steel plates set into the pavement in a triangular shape. If a car is driving the speed limit or slower, the plates collapse to let it pass unimpeded; if it’s going too fast, they lock in place and the car receives a jolt. Thus, drivers who maintain the proper speed are rewarded.
    Decano’s technology is entirely mechanical and relatively inexpensive. It’s designed to handle traffic at 25 mph speeds, but the company is working on an electric version for higher speed limits. Of course, the additional technology will likely bump the price up.
  9. Ifa

    Ifa n00b

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    I'm riding from Connecticut, USA to Panama next year and am trying to work out a route to Panama from the US border with Mexico (Nuevo Laredo) avoiding surfaced roads. I'm having difficulty, the tracks and trails on the Mexican maps I've bought so far don't seem to agree with Google maps satellite views. From that I assume the maps I have are no good.
    Can anyone help please?
    Ifa
  10. jimmex

    jimmex Guero con moto

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    By avoiding "surfaced roads" I assume you mean paved roads. There are some nice routes on dirt but it would take you a couple months to travel all the way through Mexico on dirt roads. One good resource for dirt roads is E32 cartography. Another is Bicimapas. You would need to use a paper map as well, like the Geology Survey maps whose name escapes me.
    These routes can be very remote and rough and not advisable to travel alone IMO. Saludos, JIm
  11. tricepilot

    tricepilot El Gran Payaso

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    Where in CT?
  12. Ifa

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    Yes, dirt roads. I've got about 2 weeks maximum for Mexico so we'll have to get a move on. I'll be travelling with one or two others.
    I'll check out the maps you've suggested, thanks.
    What does IMO mean?
    Ifa
  13. Ifa

    Ifa n00b

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    Hartford, CT. I live in the UK but have a bike stored there for american trips.
    Ifa
  14. George 99

    George 99 Been here awhile

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    Ifa, my limited experience sez you'll run into dirt occasionally no matter which route you select. :D

    Enjoy, sounds a fun trip.
  15. Sjoerd Bakker

    Sjoerd Bakker Long timer

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    If the road washouts are as prolific as Mike describes you could
    probably avoid pavement by following much of the shown highway
    system of your maps :lol3
    In Spain they have another simple way to slow traffic on bypasses
    through built up areas . It consists of traffic lights at intervals connected with
    photo radar sets These lights are not at intersections but simply placed on clear view
    straight sections . If you drive the speed limit the light will stay green as you
    approach and allow you through unhindered. If you are speeding the light
    turns red forcing you to stop or slow down drastically . If you ignore the red and drive through your license plate (and maybe your face too) is photographed and you will
    receive a fine notice in the mail. European Union traffic tickets are now
    collected in most other non Euro countries because of mutual agreements.
    As I said before, I have no illusions about Mexico and the demise of topes but it never hurts to indulge in some thinking about possible scenarios .
  16. SR

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    Google Earth is the best way to determine if a road is paved or not.

    There is lots of dirt in Mexico, but most of it is in remote areas that don't go from one place to another very fast. There is generally more dirt in the larger open areas of Western Mexico then in the more populated areas of Central, Eastern and Southern Mexico. The dirt roads in Western Mexico tend to go E-W with the topographic drainage patterns of the western Sierra and it would take you a very long time to go across the grain from northwest to southeast across the country.

    Coming in from the Laredo to Central, Eastern and Southern Mexico there is a lot more pavement than you might think. In a lot of places if you want to stay on dirt you will find yourself riding through dirt agricultural fields with paved road roads running parallel to you.

    I will be curious to see what your route looks like if you put the time and energy into staying off pavement as much as possible. Without having a completely ridiculously contrived route my best estimate is that, coming in from Laredo you might get across Mexico on 30% dirt.

    Suerte and RR please.:freaky
  17. MikeMike

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    The conditions are (no "if" involved) as I've been saying. Rains started again last Sunday and another weekend route now has an impromptu dirt stretch.

    They are digging out two bodies from underneath it.:deal
    MUEREN 2 POR DESLAVE!

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    * Y 5 Municipios afectados
    Veracruz.- Dos personas que viajaban a bordo de un automóvil de Cosautlan a Teocelo fallecieron en un accidente derivado de un deslave de un cerro sobre la carretera.
    El deslave en la carretera Teocelo-Cosautlán provocó el cierre parcial del tramo, por lo que inmediatamente se iniciaron las tareas para reabrir el paso al tránsito vehicular.
    La Secretaría de Infraestructura y Obras Públicas (SIOP) envió cuadrillas de trabajadores y maquinaria pesada para restablecer la comunicación.
    Autoridades del Ayuntamiento de Teocelo informaron que el deslave provocó el accidente en la carretera donde dos personas perdieron la vida a bordo de su vehículo.
    CINCO MUNICIPIOS AFECTADOS
    Las lluvias que comenzaron la tarde del domingo por efecto del frente frío número 4 han dejado 386 viviendas con daños, siete deslaves y alerta para poblados asentados en nueve cuencas de ríos de centro y sur, reportó la Secretaría de Protección Civil.
    Los municipios que han resultado con algún tipo de afectación son Coatzintla, Tihuatlán, Banderilla, Ixhuacán de los Reyes y Rafael Lucio.


    I ride those municipalities on a regular basis, trust me, the roads are not in the greatest of shape. I've taken visiting riders through some of these areas, usually you will find the leftovers of a little slide or two. But it is much worse now. Things are going to stabilize a little with the 4th cold front of the season moving through, but more rain is forecast. The Zongolica is bad enough but the stretch into the Mixtla de Altamirano at the best of times is no picnic, now it is a crap shoot. That is to the south, to the north, the climb up to Altamirada near Ayahualulco? Best get one of those paddle rear tires they use in sand events and hill climbs. Or try dropping down to it from the junction between Gonzalez Ortega and La Trinidad. Let gravity do the work. Just hang on tight.
  18. going south

    going south hero & Zero...

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    Hey SR, I am riding my bike back down from Seattle, don't know how long it will take, 1.5 days to boarder, from there
    everything slows down, I think they call it Mexican time.... :freaky I'm thinking Baja & ferry over.

    I'll give you a shout, when I arrive...

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    Saludos, Jim..
  19. TRAVELGUY

    TRAVELGUY Old Traveler

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    Have made several trips into Mexico and on south but trailering bikes from Indiana to Baja next month and crossing with the bikes only into Baja. I have read but don't remember details of the crossings that don't require all the paperwork for staying only in Baja.

    Advice and info will be appreciated.

    BTW; enjoyed the last few pages of discussion of topes. I have spent enough time in Central America to have learned to enjoy them except for the unmarked one I hit about 60 mph a few years ago. Didn't crash but it did make things interesting for a few seconds and taught me to sharpen my focus.

    Thanks;

    TravelGuy
  20. SR

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    Estamos pendientes!!:freaky