Is the Honda Ruckus a bit overrated?

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by scorch, May 13, 2017.

  1. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    neat thing about the c3 is you could if inclined you can raise up the whole rear box if you re long legged. Just have to unbolt it and put spacers in .
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  2. HelloPitty

    HelloPitty Motorbike Enthusiast

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    It's true, it was a rusty mess. I pretty much focused on cosmetics because the mechanical issues were a bit daunting for me at that time. Plus I started to worry that maybe the corrosion might have harmed lots of stuff besides just the carb. I do know that one of the electric components wasn't working right and that halted my efforts more than anything. I sold it cheap with full disclosure. New owner seemed happy to get it.

    Ohhhhhh a 2 stroke Stella, I can see where that is tempting for you. Maybe that crank won't break.
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  3. JerryH

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    I would love to have an Elite 80, but they have tube type tires, and you have to remove the exhaust to get the rear wheel off. Not the best setup to get very far from home with. I really wouldn't mind having another 2007 -2009 Honda Metropolitan. They had a load capacity of 270 pounds, and I was right on the limit most of the time, with gear and cargo. It still ran past 10,000 miles with no issues. I rode it 300 miles a day many times. It wouldn't go up a steep hill, but I rode it from Phoenix to Tucson and back almost every weekend.
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  4. JerryH

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    Do you have the owners manual? if so what does it say in there? I remember many years ago on another forum getting into a long discussion about the C3 load capacity. The owners manual definitely listed it as under 200 pounds. We thought it might be a misprint, and actually called Yamaha. They said it was not a misprint and the owners manual was correct. I can't find a copy of the owners manual online anymore.

    I think that 385 pounds may be the total GVWR, or the total weight of the scooter and rider. I couldn't find a C3 owners manual, but I found one for the 4 stroke Yamaha Vino 50. It clearly lists the load capacity as 165 pounds. That is ridiculous and almost has to be wrong. The Buddy 50 has a load limit of 320 pounds.


    From Yamaha Vino 50 owners manual:
    "The total weight of the operator, accessories and cargo must not exceed the maximum load limit of
    75 kg (165 lb). When loading within this weight limit, keep the following in mind:
    1. Cargo and accessory weight should be kept as low and close to the scooter as possible. Make
    sure to distribute the weight as evenly as possible on both sides of the scooter to minimize imbal-
    ance or instability"
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  5. scorch

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    I am on the fence on selling the Ruckus. But i want to do a head to head comparison with the yamaha c3 before i get rid of it. There is an older video made on the honda ruckus by a bike magazine, and i was suprised that they did say the same thing as i did. The top speed isnt really an issue for me, since a 50cc scooter is going to be slow no matter what. But i am more interested in what you get for that price, and with the ruckus it seems you get less for more money.

    It would be nice to do a 50cc comparison on most scooters. I like the 50cc segment alot, it is a little suprising its not more popular around cities in the U.S. including Washington D.C. They are super useful. But a honda ruckus around these parts will get stolen quick if you don thave a garage.
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  6. scorch

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    The yamaha c3 wheels look to be as thick and same size as the ruckus.
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  7. wanna bECO

    wanna bECO Been here awhile

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    Yes! and I would like you to check them out as well. You are correct. It seems the service manual and the owners manual contradict each other quite a bit. The owner manual can be found here:
    http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/service/manuals/2008/lit-11626-21-55_c3_1662.pdf
    When I look at page 24 it clearly states the weight limit is 187 LBS total. WTF!

    But, if you go to the SERVICE manual here:
    http://www.motorscooterguide.net/Manuals/Yamaha_XF50_Service_Manual.pdf

    And on page 20 (again that is the PDF page, not the page in the manual.) it states the weight limit is 175 KG. So that is what I was thinking, was it a conversion mistake?

    I would be curious about your thoughts on this Jerry, let me know.
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  8. Badmotorscootr

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    The C3 comes stock with Michelin Reggae 120/90/10 tires.

    I don't think you could overload or break a C3 very easily and here is a story that proves it.
    http://scootercanada.weebly.com/index.html

    This story is one of the reasons I bought one. Got a non running 2007 with 700 miles in 2010 for $1000.
    New battery and cleaned the fuel injector and it ran like a champion. I miss that scooter...
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  9. cdwise

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    Hmm, I've ridden with the Honda Ruckus Crew a couple of times at rallys and they went 40-45. Ruckus is faster than the Met from what I've seen with friends who have both. Note, that both are often restricted when you buy them in the US because places like Texas classify a 49.9cc or less scooter as a moped and they are not allowed to go more than 30mph with that sort of plate. Other places will let you ride a restricted 50cc with a car license. Restrictions range from 22-30mph.
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  10. JerryH

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    As for the load capacity, I don't know what to think. This was discussed at length on another forum several years ago, and was never settled. I personally called Yamaha, as did several other members, and we were all told that the weight limit in the owners manual was correct. It will obviously carry more weight than that, but what it says in the manual would bother me, especially had I been going to buy a new one. A cheaper used one might not be such a big deal. The tires might hold up fine, it's the frame and suspension parts I'd be concerned.

    Though they use the same motor, and are similar in size, according to the owners manuals, the first generation Metropolitan and Ruckus had a serious difference in load capacity. The Met was 270 pounds, the Ruckus was in the 220s. The Met has a very complex combination steel and extruded aluminum frame, while the Ruckus has a plain steel frame. If you can find a picture of a Met with the body panels removed, you can clearly see the difference.

    I have never ridden a Ruckus, but I used to have a 2007 Met. I got a real GPS 40-41 mph out of it. Same thing with an '05 2 stroke Zuma. But according to several YouTube videos and posts on totalruckus.com, the Ruckus tops out at around 35-36 mph. I would have to ride one with GPS to know for sure. But since I am 20 pounds over the recommended load capacity of the Ruckus, that would likely slow it down.

    Now, I am talking about the carbureted, liquid cooled first generation Metropolitan, known as the Crea Scoopy in Japan. The second generation Met was air cooled and fuel injected, and was claimed to be slower than the first generation. It was based on the Japanese Giorno scooter, a step down from the Crea Scoopy. The first generation Met and the current Ruckus both use the Honda GET engine. In the beginning, this engine had serious crankcase venting problems, and didn't last very long. In 2006, Honda fixed that problem, and it became a very reliable engine.
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  11. Battlephobe

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    I had an 05 ruckus. Put 28k km on it. Does it suck. For sure. Terrible brakes,terrible suspension, slow motor. But the motor is refined. Started every time even sitting outdoors uncovered in the winter. I hopped curbs and gone thru fields with the things and it kept on going.

    I replaced it with an aprilia sr50. And that thing was fast. 87kmh top speed. Disc brakes.

    For the price of a ruckus new. Hell no. Better off getting a motorcycle license and getting the grom
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  12. MBlue

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    Offering a motorcycle as an alternative to a scooter doesn't make sense. One of the main reasons to buy a scooter is not needing to shift. Constant shifting in the city is a PITA.
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  13. scorch

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    I think the biggest benefit of a 50cc scooter is not having to deal with the hassle of licensing. Im sure shifting a manual transmission will deter a few, but i dont think that is what will deter most.

    id love to test a honda metropolitan head to head with the ruckus. I did measure the top speed of the ruckus at a speed alot of people do claim of 36mph. There are plenty of people bragging about being able to do 45mph, but i find that really hard to believe a unmodded ruckus will do that.
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  14. Battlephobe

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    My ruckus with Polini variator,windscreen,low resistance tires, with an 07 ecu did 67-68kmh flat ground no head wind.

    The met is faster due to skinner tires and. Better aerodynamics
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  15. Buster Grumpy

    Buster Grumpy Sucker for "great deals"

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    and I believe the met has different gears.
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  16. JerryH

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    Not quite true. Type of transmission does not define a scooter. My Genuine Stella has a manual transmission. ALL pre 1980 Vespas sold in this country had manual transmissions. The Lambretta has a manual transmission. The Heinkel has a manual transmission. The Bajaj has a manual transmission. The Cushman (original) has a manual transmission. The Salsbury has a manual transmission. Many other older less known scooters had manual transmissions. A reliable scooter with a manual transmission would solve a lot of my problems. It would have a much wider range of gear ratios from top to bottom. With a 50cc scooter with a manual transmission I could climb any mountain in my state. I might even get more top speed out of it, but most CVT scooters seemed to be geared for top speed, which is why they don't have a low enough ratio to climb steep grades. The Grom is not the answer for me, as I fit much better on several 50cc scooters than I do the Grom. But a manual transmission would be great.

    While city riding without shifting is fine, many people take their scooters out of the city, and many run into situations where a lower transmission ratio is necessary. For now, I bought a small 250cc motorcycle (Honda Rebel) that fits me a lot better than the Grom, as a solution to that problem. If they ever do make a manual transmission small displacement scooter, I will buy it.
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  17. thederrick106

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    So much hate for the Ruckus. If you don't like them, don't get one... Also- the last thing I would call a Ruckus is flimsy. They are actually pretty robust simple no frills 50cc Honda. Very easy to work on, even for a parking lot mechanic.

    With that said I would never buy ANY 50cc thinking its going to be fast... I would never buy ANY 100cc for the purpose of going "FAST." Hell, I wouldn't even consider any of the 250cc motorcycle "FAST." If you want to go fast buy a real motorcycle, pretty simple moot argument IMHO. I don't ride my Ruckus to go fast, I ride it for adventure. Almost 1000 miles on ours. Average speed is 30mph. I can get 42 on the GPS down hill. Up most real hills average is 25mph. We hit some long steep climbs which dragged us down to 15mph, but those same hills are unpassable with snow on the ground and 4x4. Very Steep.

    When my wife and I looked at getting a pair of two wheelers we also looked at the K-pipe 125 and for just riding it probably would have been a better choice, but they lack the ability to easily haul gear. We wanted adventure, camping, overnight trips, and ease of packing gear. The Ruckus provides that, along with the ability to explore back roads, seasonal dirt roads etc. We also wanted Honda reliability. I don't think Kymco is quite there yet. Not bad but not Honda. There is a difference. After owning and using Honda ATVs around the homestead for years their reliability and ease of maintenance is exceptional. I also like Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha but Honda is my primary choice.

    Past plated bikes:
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    Ruckus

    I don't even consider my KLR "FAST" so yes.. the 50cc Ruckus is "SLOW" Any one who buys a Ruckus to go fast needs to re-evaluate their decision making process. :rofl

    Also the whole motorcycle license doesn't even apply for us. In NY the Ruckus is registered as a regular motorcycle.
    When talking 50cc they aren't really comparable to motorcycles, they are their own "thing."

    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/adirondack-honda-ruckus-adventure-riding.1216990/
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  18. klaviator

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    Being able to ride a 50cc scooter without a license only applies in some states.
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  19. klaviator

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    Personally I don't mind shifting. I actually bought my first scooter despite the lack of a manual transmission which I had always preferred. The biggest advantage that a small scooter has over a similar sized motorcycle IMO is the ability to easily haul stuff. A Grom for example is probably a blast to ride but IMO much less suited for commuting or touring compared to a small scooter.

    Now that I have been riding scooters I have come to like the CVTs but when I get back on a motorcycle I still enjoy shifting as well.
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  20. Battlephobe

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    I have bikes ranging from 125cc - 1199cc

    But I enjoy scootering the best. No one really bothers me, I can haul stuff without a backpack and I don't feel the heat from the engine
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