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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by mesopotamia, Mar 10, 2012.
Except the V-Strom doesn't break so it doesn't matter if you have a good Zuk department or not.
As a 1050 owner the last couple years ... I have to agree. The 1050 is not a great off road bike. Even dirt roads must be explored carefully. The 17" front is the main problem. The 1050 is a great sport touring bike. It's got double the power of a Wee Strom and once set up well it's a great twisty road bike or all day sport tourer. It's OK two up ... but not great. Not all that much room. OK for smaller humans.
I love the look of the bike. But aesthetics are personal. I also agree with Mark that the bike you should be considering is the 800XC. Does it all ... but you may not find one for $7500.
"Sway Back Mule"? Whatever.
Spouse Unit reports the back of the T800 is roomy and comfortable- and her point of reference is an FJR1300.
I know this is an old dead thread, but "Where in the hell can I find a brand new 2012 Wee for $6500?" Seriously. I want to know.
That's easy.....you can't.
give it about 12 months of a non-recovering economy with the highest tax hikes in history set to go into effect automatically Jan1, and I guarantee you will find a handful of leftovers on the showroom floor with fat discounts.
So if you wait long enough, you can get one at a discount? Great plan.
Taxes do suck though I will give you that. Just craziness.
Firstly, the photo is calendar material.
Ignoring the 1050's horrible oem headlights, how's it behave in HIGH / EXTREMELY GUSTY wind conditions,
compared to your former Vees (which I personally consider abysmal) ?
Motorcycle Consumer News just tested the DL650A and had recently tested the 800XC.
The review is VERY positive, almost effusive.
They noted that while the 800's are more powerful, they also weigh more and are only marginally quicker.
Bike Weight HP TQ 0-60 1/4mi MSRP
DL650 470 63.5 41.7 3.98 email@example.com $8,299
F800GS 489.5 74.2 50.6 - firstname.lastname@example.org $12,900
800XC 503 80.1 48.5 - email@example.com $11,799
Measured top speed was 107.8 (Adventure model with bags). I've hit 108 actual on my DL at NJMP while still accelerating (without bags) so I'd guess the top speed for the naked version to be about the same as the old model, 114-115 or so.
In their overall review, they give bikes 1-5 stars in the categories of Engine, Transmission, Suspension, Brakes, Handling, Ergonomics, Riding Impression, Instruments/Controls, Attention to Detail, Value, and Overall. The V-Strom got 5 stars in all but 3 areas: 4 stars in braking due to an overactive ABS system and 4.5 stars in Attention to Detail and Value.
Like any other bike, you have to ride them and decide for yourself. I recently rode an 800XC and thought the stock suspension was better than the stock DL650 - but not as good as my DL with aftermarket suspension components. The engine felt a little stronger. But the bike was $12,000 with heated handgrips and hand guards. I rode an F800ST at NJMP last year for a CSS session and found it very underwhelming - I'm frankly surprised MCN found it so strong, as my butt dyno didn't think it was a lick faster than the DL.
Having a prestige brand is important to some people: Suzuki is not a prestige brand. After riding the Tiger, I like it, but was reminded that some consider the 800's "Too big to be small and too small to be big." You do not face that dilemma with the low purchase price and operating economy of the middleweight V-Strom - even with upgrades like suspension, brake pads etc.
If I remember this right (and I do for other publications), these star ratings are always "relative to price".
There are several guys over on the Stromforum who are going well out of the way to buy them. Many are reporting local dealers are sold out and Suzuki is contemplating a second production run!
Thanks! Glad you liked the pic. Tiger looks much better without ugly Triumph tail bag on there. Tri. panniers look nice on the Tiger.
I'm glad you asked about the wind! As we both know, Vstrom's could be down right dangerous in gusty cross winds. In Death Valley one year I was nearly blown off into the Desert. SCARY!
The 1050 Tiger is amazingly unaffected by high cross winds .... even with side panniers. Very good stability! You can actually relax and just ride. Very stable cruising in high cross wind even at 90 mph.
On my DL1000 I raised the fork tubes UP in the triples about 3/4" (lowers front) and cranked rear pre-load up quite a bit. This helped in wind but you still had to be careful with Sudden Gusts ... which could have you changing lanes at the worst possible time. (Like on the Golden Gate Bridge at rush hour :eek1 )
The 1050 needs suspension help and an HID headlight. I've got both and the bike is quite good now, especially on beat up paved roads.
Not inspiring riding on dirt.
Way sportier than Vstrom on road
Never touches pegs down ... really good lean angles
fabulous, world class brakes and ABS operates perfectly. love it.
Vstrom wins off road
Comfort about equal to Vstrom (very subjective)
MPG not bad (220 mile range)
Like Vstrom ... valves stay in spec
Low maintenance (like the Vstrom)
Will the Tiger be a 100,000 mile motor like the Vstrom? Perhaps!
145 mph indicated on this remote road in Nevada. (probably 130 mph actual)
Managed a demo ride in gale force wind conditions on a used FJR last fall, loved the planted locomotive stability,
absolutely hated it's vibration levels. Thanks for the feedback on the 1050 tiger !
And just so I don't get blasted for intruding on this thread, kudos to Suzuki for a virtually award winning budget revamp, on the ever popular Wee. As visually appealing as the makeover is, don't think for a minute it wasn't also addressing the 1st gen's poor aerodynamics (unloading of the front end at speed).
It's true ... Wee reviews have been universally good ... even the Brits, who scoffed at the Wee Strom for 5 years, made rude jokes, then had to eat their words when it won that big Motorad mag Alps shoot out against 10 or 15 other bikes in a grueling two week long test.
Impressive upgrade for sure. But I spent half a decade on Vstroms, and my 2nd hand 1050 is a lot of bike for the money. If off road is planned then the Wee or XC are hard to beat.
But as a sport tourer ... the 1050 is good value. Many used examples around now for $6000 to $7000. That is CHEAP for what you get, IMO. It does eat tires however ... 115 HP is a nice boost over any GS or 800 Tiger.
I have a friend who is a dealer for both Suzuki and Triumph. I asked him before I bought a new bike last fall. Tiger 800 or Vstrom? His comment...
"Buy the Vstrom if the money is an issue. Otherwise Tiger all the way".
That's nonsensical with "value" being one of their criteria, but I sent an email to ask them. If that were the case, for example, the V-Strom Adventure would have lower ratings than the standard V-Strom, since it costs more - in fact within $1000 of the base Tiger 800 non ABS.
Rider magazine tested the 7-11 V-Strom head-to-head with the Tiger 800. Unsurprisingly, V-Strom owners defend their bikes and Tiger owners theirs.
In my test ride I found the Tiger motor to be smoother than the DL650, and the bike felt quicker. Speaking to the road versions, to my mind the real issue is why spend $12,000 when when a grand or two more will get bike increases in performance: a Ninja 1000 ABS is about $1,000 more and has a relaxed riding position, 130hp and weighs 505 lbs. Ditto a Tiger 1050.
Interesting as that bike keeps coming up on my list of "better performance than the middleweights, modest weight, good handling and relaxed riding position" bikes.
The Suzuki (Kawi, Honda, Yami) dealers here in Central Texas make this pretty easy, they don't allow test rides!
It will always be the Triumphs or BMW's for me based on that simple fact alone.
The 1050 is not perfect, and IMO, needs some upgrades. But with suspension improvements, it's quite a GOOD BIKE and very low maintenance as well.
As I said, won't match either V-Strom or Tiger XC off road. But as a sport tourer/pavement based adventure bike, I am very happy with mine. Best news is many are now affordable used and many being sold with lots of farkles on them. The 1050's seem to be holding up very well and not costing owners (in general) a fortune to maintain and very few failures of anything. GOOD JOB TRIUMPH!
It's not a featherweight but rides light and turns so quick and easy. One gripe some have is jerky ON/OFF throttle. There are several solutions for this. Not a big deal.
But the most important draw of the 1050 over either 800 Tiger's or new Wee Strom is the huge power advantage. Not only is the 1050 very quick, it's smooth and has gobs of ripping Triple personality.
And it's even got torque ... something the Tiger 800's lack, IMHO. Combine this with world class radial mount brakes and unmatched lean angles, and the 1050 Tiger makes a pretty good package for the money outlay.
Go ride one. Might surprise a few.
I narrowed my choices down to the 1050, 800, or the new glee strom. I had already owned two stroms, a wee and a vee, so I am well familiar with both bikes. My local Triumph dealer gives test rides so I rode both Tiggers. To me the 800 is an absolutely brilliant motorcycle. The 1050 is really nice and I narrowed my choice down to the Triumphs. Nothing against the 'Zuk, but it kind of became a been there, done that type thing, plus I really don't like the styling. Personal preference, but..............
I rode the 1050 and 800XC back to back. To me the 1050 was cruder and less refined. The engine was buzzy with a snachy throttle. Power was neat and nothing to sneeze at, but the tranny was crude and required a sure footed shift with a long throw. The seat sucked and was uncomfortable right away. The wind management gave me buffeting and little protection. The brakes were almost overkill. One finger affairs. I could get used to it, but no knock, just . The 1050 is a really nice motorcycle that to me just needs some sorting, some getting used to, and some break-in time.
The 800 well, what can I say. I loved it. The engine and transmission were butter smooth. Gobs of torque for an 800cc motor. I put it in 6th gear and slowed to under 20 mph then did a roll on. No studder or hesitation, just smooth linear response; the FI is spot on. The brakes were good. Well matched to the bike. Not too much, not too little, just a good balance and feel. The wind management was fair. Lots of wind from the chest up, but it is smooth air with no turbulence. The seat was comfortable, but the bars are a little too far forward for my short arms. The only dislike, is there is a lot of heat coming from the engine that could bug on hot ride days, so we'll see about that. That's because I made my choice.