Is there any reason I shouldn't jump at this rig?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by ag_streak, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. ag_streak

    ag_streak Tiene Ruta Cuarenta?

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    ... with wallet open?

    http://sarasota.craigslist.org/mcy/1021722348.html

    I can't believe the price!

    Not the unknown unknowns, like a problem with the bike or setup. (I have just enough dumbness to discover anything obvious on a test ride)

    But is there anything inherently scary? Something that an inexperienced hacker such as myself would likely miss? (like "you NEVER add a chair to a KZ1000 police bike")

    The owner doesn't know anything about the chair. It's obviously a 562, of unknown vintage. The owners only had it a year and repainted it themselves. I'm going to go see it this Sunday.

    Any advice would be muchly appreciated...
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  2. Dr Jim

    Dr Jim Been here awhile

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    An interesting rig - The KZ1000 should be an above-average tug, it already has stronger wheels, stiffer suspension, and should be geared and tuned for torque (gotta LEAP out and pounce on those @#$%^ jaywalkers...)

    The 562 Velorex is really a BIT light-duty for a large bike, it certainly should have the larger Velorex axle installed pronto if it's not already fitted, and I'd be tempted to kick it out as far from the tug as I could get it and mount some ballast too.

    My biggest concern would be the mount system, I blew up one of the pictures (the rear shot) and it looks like they may have used the Velorex 'Universal' clamp-on mounts and struts (see the big blob at the upper front mount, and how the strut tapers?), which would be VERY marginal for this rig.

    I'm thinking that the rear upper mount may just be clamped onto the chrome bag guard (theres a black ring on the front of the bag mount which could be another mount clamp) - this is a major No-No, not only is the geometry all wrong, but those bars were never intended to take the stresses imposed by a chair.

    There's also something odd about the lower rear mount too, the right rear picture shows a polished heim joint that's about even with the bike's rear axle. I can't tell how it's attached, if there's a subframe that runs parallel to the swingarm, that would be cool - but if the rear mount goes to the swing arm I'd be VERY CONCERNED - as in what happens when the swing arm, er, ah. um - swings....

    Also, take a large flat-blade screwdriver with you, place it's tip hard up against the camshaft covers, and jam the handle into your ear - have someone start the engine while you listen for a dull, hollow, knocking sound. A few taps and some pinging as the engine starts are OK, but a hollow rumble/thud that lasts until the engine oil comes up to full pressure can indicate worn camshaft bearings, a very common issue with older DOHC bikes these days since modern oils no longer include a 'wear protection' package.

    Still, a pretty cool rig, and worth sorting out if it runs well - you may need to be pretty agressive about negotiating the price - since a subframe and mounts can easly run a Kilo-buck, as can a head rebuild.

    Good luck

    Jim
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  3. anonny

    anonny What could go wrong?

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    Why not for that price you could probably sell the bike alone for more.
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  4. Bucho

    Bucho Long timer

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    Even if the mounting hardware needs some upgrading it sounds pretty good. I kinda like those KZ police bikes, would be neat w/ a hack.
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  5. ag_streak

    ag_streak Tiene Ruta Cuarenta?

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    Actually, the book value for the bike alone is about $1,850. And a brand new Velorex 562 is what, $2,300? So it's not a ridiculously low price, but IF it's set up PROPERLY, it would be worth (to me) even a premium, to avoid the hassle and expense of having a new car professionally installed and set up.

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  6. ag_streak

    ag_streak Tiene Ruta Cuarenta?

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    Dr. Jim, Thanks! That will give me a good basis for being skeptical when I take a look at it this weekend. I would be shocked if anyone would connect a mount to the pannier bar!!! :rofl But there's a lot more stupidity out there than intelligence, so you never know!

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  7. Dr Jim

    Dr Jim Been here awhile

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    Nothing mechanical can surprise me anymore, the number of two (and three) wheel abortion-substitutes wandering about loose on our highways is a tribute to American 'Free' Enterprise and and our obvious lack of genetic controls...

    Remember, the difference between BUDDHA and BUBBA is only about eight beers - a slim margin at best.

    Cheers

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  8. ruh roh

    ruh roh hey Yall

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    KBB.com lists value as 2680 for my area. I paid in that neighborhood (4k) for an older bike with a Vetter car so looks like a good deal to me. Id expect 4500-5k if the economy was better. With good paint and good mount, looks reasonable.
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  9. ag_streak

    ag_streak Tiene Ruta Cuarenta?

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    You're right! My bad! Too many bikes and numbers swimming around in my empty head! :freaky

    I just called the sellers again and they can't show me the bike this weekend. It will have to wait until next week. :cry

    Thanks, all for the input!


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  10. bk brkr baker

    bk brkr baker Long timer

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    The rear wheel on the cop Kaw is special to that model. It has a shelf made into the rim that allows the tire to be run flat for a while without coming off the rim. That sounds good but, the tire is specific too. And expensive.
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  11. toastmuncher

    toastmuncher I be new round here! Ello

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    heavy bike-light chair=a recipe for disaster IMHO :eek1
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  12. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    What does your otolaryngologist say to that? :eek1

    You _could_ spring for one of these... four bucks and fits much better in your ear than a screwdriver handle :lol3

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