Is there anything out there that's Alpina-like? (geezer thread)

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  1. Thorgrim

    Thorgrim Used'ta could

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    For the younger guys, Bultaco made a bike in 250 and 350 2-stroke called the Alpina. tI was roughly a trials bike with a bigger tank and seat and higher top gears.

    I had a 250 and a 350 and loved them both. I wouldn't have ventured far on the highway on the 250, but the 350 was another matter. Not Interstate-capable, but it did fine at 50-55mph in spurts after I fiddled with sprockets, just enough to get to the woods where it was King. I've had a variety of MX bikes 125-400ccs and enduros (including a Penton 175 Jackpine) and I loved the Alpina most.

    So, since we're in the age of 4-strokes, are there any bikes somewhat like the Alpina? I know in advance they'll be heavier especially if they're water-cooled, but there's generally enough extra HP to make up some of the difference (IIRC, the 350 Alpina weighed 211# and had 18 HP, but gobs of instant torque).

    What modern bike most fills the Alpina's shoes?
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  2. lamotovita

    lamotovita Ageing Adventurer

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    Ossa Explorer, Sherco X Ride. Both are 2 strokes and lighter than an Alpina.
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  3. Beezer

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    the Sherpa was street legal (mostly, well.... for the times), and it had a seat you could sit on. I had a couple too & loved them. so ya, good question.... whats out there that that comes close.... a street legal trials type bike with a seat (turn signals optional)
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  4. Thorgrim

    Thorgrim Used'ta could

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    After 30 years of no bike I took the MSF beginner class as I thought I needed it and was right. The instructor must have assigned bikes using a Oujia board as I drew a Suzuki half-a-Harley after I told him I'd ridden MX. Anyway, during lunch, which I wolfed down as usual, I asked if I could ride the CRF250L that another rider drew and surprisingly he allowed it. Had to be on best behavior which was hard as that bike begs to be ridden hard and especially, lofted. Anyway, during the few minutes I got to spend on it I saw that with a little tweaking it could have some of the agility and tractability of an Alpina, at least to a degree.

    I'm waiting on my house to sell (market sucks, don't it?), and when it does I'm going to treat myself to a dirt oriented bike. I'd really like to find something with the heart of my old Alpina. There are a lot of NFS trails nearby and it doesn't take much paved road to get to them from here. I have a small road bike, I'd love to have something akin to the Alpina to put-put through the forest and see what I can see. Don't have any use for a fast, loud MX bike for what I have planned, but I'd like to be able to lift the front wheel over or out of an obstacle by just cranking the throttle for an instant. Besides ... it's fun!
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  5. Motomochila

    Motomochila Mad Scientist

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    Sounds like you should buy a Yamaha WR250. Light and plenty of torque for you to play in the woods or on the pavement. Spend more and buy a KTM EXC of any size you feel comfortable on, but seems you aren't looking for gobs of power, just the grin factor.



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  6. Cruz

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    One not mentioned is the KTM Freeride. Owned a few Alpinas and this bike would be pretty close as well as the previous mentioned ones.
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  7. gplassm

    gplassm Been here awhile

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    I am interested in the same type of bike. these days, they are referred to as "Hybrids". The Ossa Explorer is the bike that comes closest - 2-stroke, 6 speed, low front fender, etc..
    The Sherco X-Ride is only a 5 speed, and it has a high mount front fender.
    If you can find an older Gas-Gas Pampera 280 or 320 you will be happy as well.

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    Not mentioned because the poster is in the USA where the Freeride is, unfortunately, not available.
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  9. NC Rick

    NC Rick Cogent Dynamics Inc

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    Gas-Gas had the Pampera, supposedly in the USA too. Never saw one except on line but to me that thing looked awesome!
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  10. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to Asphalt!

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    Here you go. Ones for sale in the Rockies flea market by Scott1911:


    stuff and things with wheels
    Clean 1997 Beta ALP 250, low hours with recent dealer service.
    Current trail sticker
    trail and trial fenders
    trail seat
    good tires
    new sprockets and chain
    comes with both trail and trial counter shaft sprockets
    low seat height
    easy to start
    can be easily made street legal
    never titled
    Very clean, rare bike ready to ride today, 2200 obo contact through PM
    ADV price 2000

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  11. lamotovita

    lamotovita Ageing Adventurer

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    i have one and many of my friends either have or have had one or more.
    The Ossa Explorer is very tempting.
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    gplassm Been here awhile

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    So hard to keep up with what bikes the US does not get. :lol3
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    dualindalton Been here awhile

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    The Alpina line also included the 125cc. That was my 1st 'big bike" and is presently sitting in my garage in bits and pieces waiting to be reborn. My dad bought both of us the Alpina's, the 250 for him and the 125 for me. Paid a tad less than $1000.00 for them both new. Very light, nimble well balanced bikes with unbelievable torque for a 2 stroke. Kinda like a mountain goat with wheels. Ah, the good ol'days.
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  15. Beezer

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    errrrrrrrrrrrrrr I think you mean each.... I paid about $900 for a Model 85 in 1972.... they were a couple hundred more than a Japanese bike

    and ya.... great bottom end for a 2x
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  17. Thorgrim

    Thorgrim Used'ta could

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    Oh, yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about! Now, off to find a dealer with a parts inventory. Looks like there's a dealer near Knoxville TN, which isn't terribly far away.

    Edit to add: Ooh, pricey, and a tiny fuel tank. It's a nice-looking bike, though.
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  18. MihaiVeniamin

    MihaiVeniamin Been here awhile

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    KTM has revealed another FREERIDE nowadays, I know is possible not to reach the US, but you can consider it

    new KTM 250R FREERIDE - 2stroke, lightweight 92.5 kg, good suspension.
    :norton:evil
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  19. RoberTx

    RoberTx Blind man ridin'

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    Why not just buy a used Alpin and rebuild or find one already rebuilt? This one would be about half the price of some of the modern 2 smokes. I'm old enough to remember the Alpina and the rave reviews it got. Never rode one myself but it sure was a well liked machine.

    ........ this add ran about 2 years ago on the USA 2Strokers forum.

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  20. JRAM

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    Ah the Alpina. One of my all time favorite bikes. I have had a M85 Alpina since I was a teenager. The first full size bike I rode. I like the 250 motor, the 350 motor isn't any faster but more torque. Think 2nd gear climbs versus 1st gear on the 250. I have ridden a newer Gas Gas Pampera 280 2T and that is the closest thing I have found in newer bikes like the Alpina.

    Parts are available- why not find one. All the models are good IMO, the later ones are a little more refined, like quieter exhaust, and better seat. Super easy to work on and very reliable once everything is sorted.

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