Is this progress? Penn "Motorcycle Procession" law

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  1. Grinnin

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    AMA magazine says
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0831&pn=1840
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    I think it is meant for bonafide processions sponsored by Non-Profit organizations (Read the Bill) , and has made some attempt to legitimatize and control the actions, but legislation like this almost ALWAYS gets taken totally out of context by shady Lawyers and Judges with a connection to the cause. That said, it will eventually encourage rather than improve the poor behavior of certain participants in these processions.

    Before legislation like this is ever passed, folks need to ask the question: What loopholes exist, and how can careless and selfish riders take advantage of these loopholes. This will be a huge Black Mark on motorcycling once the paraders start to block and actually direct Traffic (as the Bill allows).

    Therefore, put me down for a firm "No" vote.
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    I did read the bill. I didn't find anything in the bill that says who gets to authorize a group to be a procession. As far as I can see, they can just say "we're a procession", tie yellow bandanas on their mirrors, and go.
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    The problem that arises is making people understand the legal definition of a procession, and that they cant just claim their Sunday afternoon bar run a "procession".
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    23 MEETS ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS:

    (1) THE PROCESSION MUST BE CONDUCTED BETWEEN THE HOURS
    OF 8 A.M. AND SUNSET.
    (2) THE PROCESSION MUST BE SPONSORED BY A CORPORATION OR
    A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
    (3) THE PROCESSION MUST BE CONDUCTED FOR MEMORIAL OR
    CHARITABLE PURPOSES.
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    Exactly, and this is where shady Lawyers step in, and once they win a case saying "Joe Public" and his lame brained minions from the local tavern have a legal right to block traffic, all hell breaks lose and the fun is over. For everyone.
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  8. Grinnin

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    So any bike club that's incorporated as a nonprofit can memorialize their late friend Joe every Saturday?

    Incorporating as a non-profit is neither difficult nor expensive as long as the non-profit is not looking for tax-exempt status.
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    Its worse than that. It says a corporation OR a non-profit organization.
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    Yup....


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    I think that to become a non-profit organization, you go through the process of incorporation. Incorporation is not limited to forming companies. It's really just filing forms with the state, and pretty simple as long as you don't claim tax exemption.
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    Yes, and that is EXACTLY what they did for many years around here. I will say though that this past summer (so far) has been odd in the fact that there have been zero road block parades this season. Don't know why, nor really care, but there it is. Maybe local LEO's have cracked down?

    Now, to be clear - if the late "Joe" was a great, wonderful person, and his illness prior to death bled his family dry, and performing this citizen angering slo-mo traffic blocking Parade on Saturday afternoon when folks are busy running errands, shopping, working, etc. is really seen as the best way to raise this charitable cash for his destitute family, I'm fine with that. Something tells me though that there are much better ways to raise cash - all you can eat fish fries, donated car raffles, "Go fund me" accounts, scrap drives, and so on.

    The bad news is: The same guy who is ignorant enough to think Road Blocking the public and angering a whole bunch of people is a wonderful way to raise charitable funds, is the same guy organizing and leading the Parade of Blockage.

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    If this passes, any self-appointed leader of a large enough group can incorporate, obtain sponsorship from a watering hole/restaurant or any other "business" to take his/her group there and LEGALLY authorize other unqualified jackholes to stop and direct traffic along their route. It seems like this law was written to be easily abused.
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    The bill changes the existing funeral procession law.

    Funeral processions are mostly self-limiting. You need a mostly-fresh body. Processions are led by a hearse usually from a licensed funeral home. The route is usually a short distance from in-town to the edge of town although occasionally there's a longer trip. North of New Orleans it hasn't traditionally been organized for everyone to have a fun time.

    Don't most people willingly stop for funeral processions out of respect for the dead and the surviving family? I know I do. I also can't imagine motorcycle trains getting the same respect.
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  15. lostonwheels

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    Yeahhhh.... Noooo....

    As a PA resident I sincerely hope this doesn't pass. The fun I can see coming out of it would be it would give the doofuses lagging in the back of the, likely unmarked (or at least in any recognizable fashion) "procession" legal ground whenever they crash into/are crashed into by a normal motorist who just went through a green light...

    You want a parade? Do the paperwork and pay the fees. At least in PA at the moment there is no legal distinction on the road, beyond license endorsements, of a motorcycle and a car.
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    Also a Pennsylvania resident and I agree completely. Any traffic control should be by trained and certified persons with all such costs to be paid by the organization. Otherwise, have the procession following the regular rules of the road and with individual responsibility.
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    "I think that to become a non-profit organization, you go through the process of incorporation."

    Probably depends on state law. In this state incorporation is not needed. A non-profit registers with the state and files yearly reports. It isn't hard or expensive, but must be done every year.

    I sure dislike that Pennsylvania proposal. A procession that blocks traffic needs fully trained and legally recognized traffic control people, and with a permit from local authorities. Certainly not just some rider who stands in the street holding up one hand and waving his buddies through with the other.

    Washington state law says, "A funeral procession shall be accompanied by adequate escort vehicles for traffic control purposes as determined by the chief of police." A motorcycle procession should have no less as traffic control.
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    Road Captains are fully qualified to control traffic flow. Rigorous training standards. This sounds like a wonderful idea. :thumb
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    I have a niece with health issues. A few years ago a local bar/restaurant owner put together a charity run for my niece to help pay for medical bills and then repeated the run in the subsequent years..... maybe 4 or 5 total runs. I went along for the first couple stops, then would peel off from the group to help set up for dinner at the final stop. These runs all had a group of riders who would block at lights and intersections then fall in at the end of the pack. It all went very smoothly. I never gave a thought to the legality of doing this, I guess I thought that's how "runs" always are set up.
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