Italy trip planning

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  1. MichaelJ

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    As you said - you didn't ride in the Alps. A wee bit different than puttering down the Amalfi coast (where I'd also prefer a scooter).
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  2. High Country Herb

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    Very true. I have been through the Alps, but not on a bike. That's why I estimate a middleweight bike would be good. Those switchbacks don't look conducive to 700+ lb cruisers. I guess it'd be fine if you were used to riding an 800 lb Harley, but I'm not.
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    All my Alpine riding has been on the same guzzi. Two up with luggage. A measured 55rwhp. I still come up to a lot of bikes, and able to overtake a lot of cars.
    Lumbering campers take up more space and block more sightlines, the worst.

    There are lots of the mid and maxi scooters dazzing around in the French Alps and western Italian side. The Burgman 650 and big Yamaha Tmax can really shift, the auto box must be a big help there.
    I have a little 125 honda auto and up to town speeds it fair zips along. (No I wouldn't take it to the Alps, and the only 200+mile trip was a real butt kicker). The maxis just up the speed possibilities - and have twin discs.
    A large version with a lot more power than my restricted thing, combined with an always in the right gear transmission would make light work of hairpins.
    Sit at any corner cafe in Paris to see how flickable and brisk off the mark they can be. Even with the big travel rugs over their knees that they use in winter.


    As Bob Mac said about the mountain TT course, as fast as you can up, as fast as you dare down.
    Being under braked is far more inconvenient than under powered. In Alpine situations.
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    My 800lb Harley left me stranded today, it may get replaced if it's not careful.
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    Hear! Hear!
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    Not for long, I hope.
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    It left me stuck at work, of course I had a long, incredibly frustrating day and was looking forward to going on a "clear my head" ride. It was a crank no start, I pushed it inside the shop and took a cab home.
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    I didn't click the "like" - but I feel for you. Hope you get it sorted.
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    Ive been really wanting an 800 Triumph Tiger... This will be the second brake down for the Hog this season.... Just saying :D
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    Its a SIGN, a SIGN, I tell YA!
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    I have 5 bikes in my fleet and 3 of them are expected to start when I push the button and not give me trouble. The other 2 are toys and they can be quirky and weird. Two failures in a season is not to my expectation. I know mechanical stuff happens, but I don't have the warm fuzzy feeling
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    Not that we need a Road King update, but the tech went to look at it today, and it started right up. I guess its fine... we'll see where it leaves me when it shits the bed the next time...
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    Intermittent issues are the worst. Sell it and buy the Tiger and an XR600.
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    Yeah, my trusty 650 Wee Strom feels underpowered and old lately. I was thinking about sending the Harley and the VStrom packing for the 800 Tiger and a CRF250L... The problem is which tiger?? Ive put good time in on the XRR and the XCX loved both
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    Older Tiger Explorer 1200 here. Superb bike.
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    Michael....

    Is that an autobiography...
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    Sometimes it feels like it...
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    Okay, getting a little closer. Wife and I decided on the Guzzi California. I have filled out the paperwork and confirmed. Here is our tentative plan.

    9/12 (Land in Milan in the Evening) - 9/13 Milan (pickup Guzzi)
    13-14 Alps, Lake Como
    14-15 Venice
    16-18 Tuscany
    18-19 Florence
    19-22 Cinque Terre
    23- Return Bike Fly out of Milan in the Evening

    Obviously, this is an outline. Here is the fun part, we get to come up with specifics, roads, routes, places to stay.

    There is time to go somewhere else too. Any advise appreciated... lets get some ideas everyone!!!

    Thanks in advance
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    So much to see, so little time.
    If you haven't been before, you may be in awe of just how much there is to see in such a small space.
    As far as cities goes - focus your planning on what you would like to see and work out how to see that most readily. A day in Venice or Florence is barely scratching the surface - but you can get the main tourist sights done, although some things like the Uffezi are usually queuing round the block - you can get tickets in advance. When I went, you could just walk in - long time ago. Also try to plan out any exhibits first. The major European museums are exhibit rich environments. The Louvre, Paris, estimates a 30 yr time scale if you spend 30 seconds in front of each exhibit.
    It's been a while since I was there, but San Germiniano is sort of quaint and small enough to take in readily. My favourite Tuscan town is Sienna, again not too large, easy to walk around, and stunning. Have a lazy drink on the Palazzo, wathc the world go by.

    If you have a hotel to leave your bike, nice and easy. Last time I visited Venice, I was staying south of Vicenza. We parked up in the Vicenza station and caught the train in - cheap enough and about a 30 minute journey - saves lots of hassle parking near Venice. The train stops at Roma station, exit onto the Grande Canale, we got the Vaporetto (water bus) to San Marco, mooched about, wending our way back to Roma. A lot easier now there is a foot bridge from the other side.
    It was high tide when we arrived, lots of raised platforms, but the water soon went away. Lots of vendors selling plastic over galoshes.
    My first visit to Venice was about the same time of year as you propose. Weather great, apart from the 5pm deluge. Back in those days, tourist destinations were seasonal, now most are all year round. Last visit was in a December, lots and lots of us milling around, gawping. Fortunately weather still good - as in bright, if cool, but darkening by 5pm.

    Alps AND Lago di Como is maybe a bit optimistic in a day. Especially if you want to be in Mandello for the museum opening time.

    Have a great time.
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    It will be a great time!

    Our goal is to have a leisurely trip. We do want to make some miles, but have time to see the sights. I don't want a "push push" the whole time vacation.
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