It's JANUARY f5olks ! The Official DAKAR 2018 - pre event speculation & SCRUTINEERING THREAD

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  1. Mouse

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    Dakar site link to tech regs says page does not exist...
  2. JMo (& piglet)

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    We were writing at the same time I think Troy!

    As per my ps. above, while Dakar/ASO do use the FIM rules as a guideline, they reserve the right to supplement and amend them as they see fit.

    Obviously as you are aware, John and I had this headache (John more than I admittedly) a couple of years ago with the LC4-50 and the last minute SVA testing required (the result being that Rally Raid Products are now listed/registered as a motorcycle manufacturer in the United Kingdom), which makes a bike eligible under the Dakar rules.

    There is also the proviso that similar machines must be made available for sale (which Honda HRC do meet, albeit in strictly limited numbers), although the FIM homologation requirement for 200+ units is not enforced by Dakar/ASO at least.

    I guess it is simply their way of stimulating the competition, enticing more manufacturers to take part, and ultimately more entertaining for us to watch?

    That said, how Honda HRC are also able to campaign the CRF450Rallye in the FIM World Championship is perhaps more of an interesting question... ;o)

    Jx
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    Edition 2017 updated jan 2017
    or I must put it in dropbox edit dropbox is coming!!

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    From Jenny's DAKAR 101 ASO rule book... :deal (EDIT: I think she may have copied on her final exams from Doyle :augie :lol3)

    Rule 1: "Ze reglulation is clear, 'there is no reglulation... unless of course we decide one is necessary, in which case - we create ze regulation.. and - if so - we do so, as we wish - at a point of our own determination... simple, n es pas..!? Any questions...?

    Rule 2: "... no questions !" :rofl
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  8. troy safari carpente

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    Well done @Myway :clap I still find it curious that an up to date version of the 2018 FIM Technical Regulations for Cross Country Rallies is not on the FIM website...? :scratch but still... you found it... you're still ranked #1 as the f5 teams lead bloodhound. :clap

    The (2017) Cross Country Rally Tech Reg's appear to be a revision of the FIM's General Prescriptions/Definitions for competition motorcycles (the same general defining rules that encompass all the sporting categories; road racing, speedway, motocross, trials etc.).

    There is a clause which specifically mentions the "Super Production" category as applies to Rallies. A Quick read through, reveals that the engine crank case is the the only part that MUST be production and unmodified... pretty much everything else can be "modified" (NOTE: not prototype) from production based parts.

    So, as long as the motorcycle (in it's entirety) is registered by an approved authority as a "road legal" vehicle, and the engine number matches the registration papers... it's a green light.

    So, there is the "loophole" that permits something like the LC4-50 that Dr Mitch created, or allows the factory teams to build their "R&D spare parts dept." specials...

    Thanx to our f5 bloodhound Myway for finding the drop box link... :bow:thumb
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  9. Myway

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    Hee, I know what is on my harddisk, .........service to you, My chief, ......... a dropbox ............upload.
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    Supplementary regulations, where? other document?
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    The Official DAKAR/ASO Regulations (as on Dakar.com website) are referred to as "Supplementary Regulations" - in that they supplement the FIM and FIA regulations (that govern the sport) for the particular event: ie. DAKAR.

    If you look at the header of the regulations of the DAKAR/ASO website... you see them referred to as "Supplementary Regulations".

    The long and the short of it all is... that the DOHC 450cc motor that HONDA have developed for the 450 rally bike conforms to the regulations (both Technical FIM and Suppplementary ASO) and all systems go for scrutineering in Lima! :clap:clap:clap
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    Crf450 rally crankcases are different to the production crankcases
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    Yes, but as pointed out previously, the engine (cases) DO NOT have to originate from the SAME production model (in this case CRF/CRF-X), but merely from a CURRENT production model from the SAME manufacturer. Which in this case, it seem's like Waldeckers tip on the Honda Moto 3 engine platform (which originates from the CBR 300 or something, yes?) could be the root of the DOHC Honda 450 Rally powerplant.

    In any case, I am pretty sure there is no "smoking gun" involved here... I mean, I have been very critical of the Honda rally programs management (out of Japan) since day zot... but even I can't believe they would make that big of a fundamental boo-boo in the engine design/homologation. If they had - you know who - would be all over it. :brow :nod
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    Chavo mechanic who did a good job last year 10, now elite. mecánico español David Palmada. "Pelut"

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    David Palmada, más conocido por su apodo ‘Pelut’, es uno de los escaladores punteros del país –y también a nivel internacional- en escalada artificial.

    La otra faceta de Pelut,el trabajo que tiene en la vida real,es también igual de apasionante: esmecánico de motosy como tal ha participado ya en¡17 Dakar!


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    I'm new to this thread and will try to read all the way thru it, but in the meantime I have 2 questions-1) Are there any other Americans racing Dakar this year besides Bill Conger ? and 2) Whats the best way to follow Dakar in the USA? Past coverage here has been very disappointing at best. I don't have satelite or cable. I'm sure these have been posted before and I apologize. I will eventually catch up. Thanks in advance.
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