It's time to split Thumpers...

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Baldy, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. p0diabl0

    p0diabl0 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Oddometer:
    591
    Location:
    San Diego
    Best idea in the thread.
    #81
  2. MeterPig

    MeterPig Meh

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2007
    Oddometer:
    17,868
    Location:
    Parker, Colorado...
    Yes
    #82
  3. Aghartha

    Aghartha Awesome

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2010
    Oddometer:
    340
    Dump the megathreads into a subforum. 50 page threshold or something. That keeps the general thumper section moving and gives new and smaller threads a fighting chance, while also making the megathreads easier to find and search. No size split, no brand split, no location split, means less potential whining.

    The massive bike specific circle jerks get in the way sometimes.
    #83
  4. Bongolia

    Bongolia stop acting

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Oddometer:
    18,710
    Location:
    In transit
    I'd still split European and Japanese (with a general forum for the don't fits)

    If I want to look up a bike, or compare types, I go to the appropriate section.
    #84
  5. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Oddometer:
    17,290
    Location:
    Über Alles,California

    That's actually a pretty good idea. :thumb

    Like everything from this page?

    http://advrider.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15&daysprune=-1&order=desc&sort=replycount


    and maybe some of these too?

    http://advrider.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15&sort=replycount&order=desc&daysprune=-1&page=2
    #85
  6. kyns

    kyns Long timer

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2009
    Oddometer:
    3,632
    Location:
    .
    IF a split is a must, this idea so far is not too bad. ^^

    But at the moment there are 13 "mega bike specific" threads on the first page of Thumpers, 13 out of 40, not too much IMO. And there's a lot of diversity, different brands, cc's.
    It's not like Beasts were, when the BMW 800cc bikes came out. Jeez, that lot was getting annoying... there were propably 30 threads on the first page about the f800gs.
    Don't see the problem at Thumpers though. If difficult in finding information here is the problem, then maybe a "Google Tutorial thread" stickyed at the top would help the lost ones.
    #86
  7. dashmoto

    dashmoto Serial Tinkerer

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Oddometer:
    414
    Location:
    East Midlands, UK

    FWIW, the UK rally series splits 'big' and 'small' at 575cc for exactly that reason. Puts the open class enduro machines together in the small class, and the big, heavy thumpers in the big class. Probably not a bad idea for this forum.

    There's always going to be some oddballs, but if (say) I was building a monster engined EXC that crossed the capacity boundary I'd still stick it in the 'small' forum as it's more in the spirit of that.
    #87
  8. dentvet

    dentvet Long timer

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,440
    Location:
    hunt country virginia
    Huskyfatman is on to something

    Lightweight vs heavyweight

    300 pounds or whatever global equivalent is the cutoff.

    That is a natural organic weight that everybody either wants to stay under for their particular use or, once breached, doesn't really matter how far over you go.
    #88
  9. HighFive

    HighFive Never Tap-Out

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2006
    Oddometer:
    3,061
    Location:
    Okiehoma
    Hhhhmmmm.....Thumpers and MegaThumpers......this idea has real merit. If "de-cluttering" is the goal, this could be a fairly painless solution.

    If "better organization" is the goal, then displacement groups are the way to go, with three communal campfires burning instead of one: Minors, Mids, & Majors

    HF :thumbup
    #89
  10. SigPig

    SigPig Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2012
    Oddometer:
    226
    Location:
    Ottawa
    If you do the BMW KTM split does Husaberg go with KTM and where does Husqvarna go?
    #90
  11. FlyingFinn

    FlyingFinn Long timer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2005
    Oddometer:
    1,260
    Location:
    Los Gatos, CA
    BMW thumpers go under GS / singles
    KTM thumpers go under KTM / singles
    EVERYTHING ELSE stays in Thumpers

    Clear enough?
    The split would be by BRAND not by the name of holding company that happens to own the brand.
    #91
  12. Gordy

    Gordy Team Listo

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2001
    Oddometer:
    25,512
    Location:
    NM
    :dunno

    I haven't noticed the problem much other than the fact that there are threads about non-thumpers in there. Really? A thread about Teneres in thumpers? :rolleyes
    Punt it (and others like it) somewhere but I think thumpers is just fine if we just keep thumpers in there.
    #92
  13. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Oddometer:
    3,422
    Location:
    Durango CO
    this, we need a modern ring-a-ding forum!

    The problem here is there will be a hindrance to cross pollinating information about different marques which share the same engine, i.e. the BMW/Husky 450 engine; the BMW, Aprillia, and Husky Rotax; and the KTM/Berg newer dual and single cam engines.

    Perhaps a split on topic, Touring, Trail, Street, and Upkeep/Modification.
    #93
  14. Grreatdog

    Grreatdog Long timer

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Oddometer:
    17,210
    Location:
    Annapolis, MD
    Why? I just frankly don't understand why so many people here think KTM and BMW don't belong in a general Thumper discussion. I am not trying to be a smartass, I really want to know what the rationale is for the idea. Especially given how many multi brand people post here.

    And SigPig makes a valid point. A Berg is a KTM in blue dress. You split off KTM and you need to take Husaberg with it. How about the BMW powered Huskies? What brings me here instead of a brand specific forum is the outrageous mixing and matching. Why y'all want to make things homogeneous is beyond my comprehension.

    Which is why I like to hear the actual rationale behind this idea. Maybe I am missing something.
    #94
  15. dashmoto

    dashmoto Serial Tinkerer

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Oddometer:
    414
    Location:
    East Midlands, UK

    Erm, pretty sure I only counted one cylinder when I was building my Tenere. Just because you 'muricans only get the (2-cyl) Super Ten, doesn't change the fact that Teneres have been thumpers for nearly thirty years ;)
    #95
  16. neduro

    neduro Addict Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Oddometer:
    12,179
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    I can nitpick every potential approach, but I think this is reasonably logical, and should help people find the right forum.

    I would make three forums out of Thumpers:

    Singles under 599cc - Dirty!
    Singles over 599cc - Far!
    2-strokes - Prehistoric! (just kidding)

    My logic is that this makes cross pollination between brands easier than splitting it by manufacturer, and the intended use within these divisions is more or less distinct.

    Sure, there are some bikes that cross over, but there is a lot of commonality in intended use by and large.
    #96
  17. SkiBumBrian

    SkiBumBrian DualSport Crazy !!

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Oddometer:
    1,051
    Location:
    Redding, CA
    I read this yesterday, it had relevance but did not really hit home til last night.
    I lost my brother to cancer a year ago at the tender age of 57. He was a prolific poster here and I spent some time looking through his posts last night. After seeing his pics that I had not seen before and reading his posts it has moved me to put together a monage of his experiences and share it with family and friends. I am glad this opportunity exists.... I miss you Gary (Hammer).
    As far as the split I guess the best idea I have heard is the cc's split. Any change that happens I will adapt but wiser minds in this subject should prevail.
    Thank you all for providing an informative and entertaining site.
    #97
  18. strongbad

    strongbad Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2006
    Oddometer:
    499
    Location:
    Idaho Falls, ID
    I'm looking for a small-displacement dual sport and a mid-displacement street bike. I depend on the inmates in the thumper and road warrior forums to let me know what's new from the manufacturers. If thumpers had been divided into two forums by displacement I probably wouldn't have seen the Husky 650 strada/terra thread. Now I'm considering the strada for my street bike.

    I like the way things are. I don't think there's any way to divide the forum that will increase it's utility--only decrease it.
    #98
  19. Butters

    Butters Kwyjibo

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2008
    Oddometer:
    3,022
    Location:
    NoVA
    That's exactly my worry. Somebody considering a mild 250 DS bike (i.e. xt250) could easily be looking at a DR650 as well depending upon their mission. But I would guess the person looking for a CFR250/XT250/DR200 isn't looking for a small displacement KTM or Husky.

    I still like the idea of moving the megathreads, but perhaps a dirt only subforum may work too.
    #99
  20. Gordy

    Gordy Team Listo

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2001
    Oddometer:
    25,512
    Location:
    NM

    Sorry about that, yes we only get the big pig and it sure as heck isn't a thumper.



    I like this! :thumb