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Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by Jammin, Mar 4, 2010.
I have followed some of your other RRs and looking forward to this one!
Very nice! Really enjoying the pix.
BTW, my Guatemalteco friends have informed me not to address any
male person in Guatemala in the informal - this is considered very of-
fensive. I'll leave it to others to explain. Applies to other CA countries
Thanks again for all the pix. I appreciate how much time it requires.
Latino Culture 101
You are a bit off here but your idea is "sort of" correct. First, using informal forms of verbs to any adult stranger (not just men) is not really polite, but for a foreigner, you will be cut some slack on this. So it's not just men, it's any adult. They expect some mistakes from you, the fact you're trying to speak their language goes a long way to forgiving your bad form.
With children (and animals), it is generally OK to use the informal form ("Tu" for example) Also OK with good friends and relatives. Best advice is do what others do. (listen! ... and learn!)
These are subtleties within the culture that take time to grasp. Using the wrong form is not really "Very offensive", but not correct. Use Usted, not Tu, and on and on. They don't use the Vosotros form much in Latin America, but very much so in Spain.
Gringos do MUCH WORSE things to offend I am sad to say. Like wearing shorts all the time. Not Cool away from the pool or beach. Or not being CLEAN or well groomed or coming to dinner in filthy riding gear. Not Cool. Or getting drunk (and loud) in a restaurant. Not Cool. (more or less OK in a bar, but NOT a restaurant)
Some of this varies from country to country.
The other thing Gringos forget are greetings and introductions. Very important and RUDE not to greet first. Never just barge in with a question or when asking a favor.
Make small talk, say Buenos Dias, introduce yourself. NOW ask your favor or question. Some N. Americans and Euros can be very brusque to Latin sensibilities. They do not appreciate this. Same with the French.
In general, Latinos tend to be very polite folks. Best to reciprocate in kind.
Jay, you're going to miss being in Zipolite
Hola, Jay! Que tal?
Corbeau from Ottawa, here. Me and Helen are wishing you a great adventure.
And don't tell her I plan to brush up on my high school Spanish... I've switched careers, now, and as a high school French teacher, I plan to use the most of my 9 weeks of summer holidays to explore Mexico -- perhaps as early as 2011...
Terrific stuff, Jay!
Only use the informal method if you know the person on a first name basis.
Cool to see all the CouchSurfer connections.
Muchos gracias, that's what I'm doing and getting good responses so far
I know. Need to come back and spend more time there...
Hola Jean-Francois! That sounds like a very good plan.
For everyone else, JF was the first rider I stayed with during a motorcycle trip. It was a 10-day ride thru Canada in my first year of riding properly (2005).
Just came back from 3 days in the Chiapas jungles, staying in a small rural Mayan village, Naha, south of Palenque. Nothing exciting, just relaxing by a lake and taking in their lifestyle. 100 kms of off-road, good riding. Lots of pictures, to come soon.
Back in San Cristobal. Heading to Guatemala tomorrow.
Hey Jay, any shaggin going on? Can't leave that out man! LOL Glad you're still on good hands. Rock on.
:huh :huh Tacky, very tacky.
not really, i was wondering that myself. a trip like his without it it would be incomplete, especially in latin america
he's not in the U.S. any longer, he won't be judged
It's called nature. A single man on the road, traversing the world; keep it real. Besides, I know Jay; he's smoother than glass.
Silvy knows what's up in Latin America.
OK maybe he is smooth but I think he has some class. Class seems to mean you don't blab it on some forum on the internet. Ride reports with sexual conquents, now that's adventure
Yeah, yeah. Just send me a PM Jay.
pura vida Jammin!!! What a great start to life long memories. Suck the nector out of every day.