Japanese Screwdrivers for Japanese Screws

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by cjack, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. cjack

    cjack Been here awhile

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    Anybody been reading the JIS screwdriver comments in MCN? I discovered these screwdrivers a few months ago when working on a toy train, the Phillips screwdrivers just did not stay in the screw. They tend to cam out (which is actually what they are meant to do to avoid over torqueing...another feature by the people who think we need to be protected from ourselves).
    See this site for an explanation...
    http://www.rjrcooltools.com/jis.cfm
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  2. k-moe

    k-moe Long timer

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    Phillips weren't meant to protect us from ourselves. They were designed to be used in pneumatic tools on assembly lines prior to tools having torque limiting feature; cheaper to mess up a screw head than scrap an entire assembly because the threads got stripped. JIS came about after tools were able to have their torque limited. JIS screws do need JIS screwdrivers, but if you're in a bind and need to get a job done now, Phillips drivers can be modified by grinding the tip down to get a better ( but not perfect) fit.
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  3. Motojournalism

    Motojournalism motojournalism.com

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    Yeah, the only tool I've kept from my stock kit is the screwdriver!
    Took a stripped brake reservoir screw to learn about JIS

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  4. gravityisnotmyfriend

    gravityisnotmyfriend Long timer

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    If you've ever tried to take a cover off of a vintage Honda, you either used the proper JIS screwdriver or a drill! Those screw are made with an alloy with the strength and hardness of warm butter. They'll strip out if you even think about grabbing a phillips bit.

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    I think this one fought me the hardest, but I won dammit!
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  5. damurph

    damurph Cold Adventurer

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    In Canada we have a Robertson head screw. Square hole and the screwdriver bit grabs it extremely well. Google it. makes a Philips obsolete north of the border.
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  6. 16VGTIDave

    16VGTIDave blame Reaver...

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    And as a Canadian, I cringe every time I see a Robertson screw on any vehicle! Their presence usually indicates that maintenance and repairs were carried out by an amateur carpenter who thought they were a mechanic. Undoing the damage caused by a coarse thread wood screw can be an exercise in frustration...

    I've found that stubborn JIS screws can be removed using a modified Phillips bit and an impact driver - NOT a pneumatic impact gun! Works most every time, but is no substitute for having the correct screwdrivers or bits...
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  7. Happycamper

    Happycamper Have bikes, will travel

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  8. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    Actually, the Phillips thing was even earlier. They were adopted in the auto industry originally to be used on trim pieces, and the screws were driven with Yankee screwdrivers, which were a spiral mechanism activated by pushing.

    http://www.garrettwade.com/product.asp?pn=08C03.01&SID=W6071002&gclid=CLmYiuSnjLYCFQSg4Aod6VcAYA
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  9. chollo9

    chollo9 Screwed the Pooch

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    One Good Turn is a history of screws and their drivers, it's a really interesting read if you're into this kind of thing.
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  10. cjbiker

    cjbiker Nobody's Robot

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    Drywall driver bits work perfectly with JIS screws. I buy them at my local ACE hardware. Never had one strip. I actually shattered a bit the other day trying to get a really stuck screw out. The bit didn't slip, but shattered instead. Unreal.

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  11. chollo9

    chollo9 Screwed the Pooch

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    Yeah, unfortunately hardened steel often equals brittle steel.
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  12. ErikDK

    ErikDK Been here awhile

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  13. Jamie Z

    Jamie Z Long timer

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    Cool, thanks. Just found a used copy on eBay, $4 shipped.

    Jamie
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  14. Vikingtazz

    Vikingtazz Will ride for food.

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  15. showkey

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    The alloy of the screw is not likely the problem............you are fighting natures lock-tite.............steel screw in an aluminum case.........electrolysis between two dissimilar metals create a very strong bond that must be cracked.

    The proper bit and a hammer strike down the screw shaft can work wonders.
    Hand driven or air driver impact with the proper bit also resolves the problem.
    Tee handle drivers also work well.

    Back in the day......we use to sell Allen head conversion screw packages for engine case screws and the bikes were new and the screws were still "sticky".
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  16. aaronrkelly

    aaronrkelly Been here awhile

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  17. kruzuki

    kruzuki Gear in the Machine

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    I just bought 2 sizes of good quality JIS drivers a couple months ago for 50% off at a scientific supply store that was closing down.

    I could tell right away that they worked better than the philips head drivers on my bike.

    I wish I had discovered this many, many stripped screws ago.
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  18. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    I just change everything over to allen screws, especially the carburetors. Lowe's and Home Despot carry a good selection.
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