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Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Ritalin Boy, Jan 3, 2013.
...so get a Touareg diesel... It's a TDI don't cha know!
Why they ever designed a diesel with a rubber timing belt is beyond me. Maybe not a big deal - but never thought that was a great idea, seems wimpy.
My buddy had one, swears by diesels. He is/was a jeep guy for a long time. He towed a little camper with it, definitely needed air bags and the brakes are way under par for 7k lbs. Its also too light to tow too much with. Cross winds really screwed with him towing the camper.
He was plagued by wiring gremlins and pesky coolants leaks ALL the time. He had a nice winch bumper on it and no lift, he averaged 23-25mpg. Best he ever saw was 28mpg and that was at OBX doing 45 at sea level. The torque is nice, they are fairly quiet for a diesel.
The front seats are TERRIBLE!!! I mean they suck so bad they could be considered torture devices.
They ride decent but his had so many little issues he couldnt justify keeping it. To tow often the trans needs upgrades as well. He ditched it for a TDI jetta and tows the camper with his wifes 4 runner.
This isnt a buddy of a buddy of a buddy, its a close friend and I drove, rode in and worked on his liberty a lot. My wife also owned a 04 gasser Liberty. She loved it but like most chrysler products it suffered from electrical issues, trans issues and premature rust. Look for rust in the rockers, under the flares and around the hatch. Specifically the pinch weld around the top of the hatch opening.
More importantly; when is your boss going to sell another big 12 cylinder German car???...Tell him I'd like an S65 AMG...
The Bentley *is* up for grabs.
At least I know it is one of three Bentley's in the US that hasn't been showered with Cristal in a rap video...
You are the retarded one. You can't even buy a diesel Jeep in this country with that engine in it, yet. The 2014 Grand Cherokee will come with the VM 3.0 V6 but it has never been offered before. In 07 and 08 they sold the Grand Cherokee with a Mercedes 3.0 V6 diesel in the US.
The tow rating is 5000 pounds. It's not worth $10k, maybe 8k.
So, at that point, you can afford to keep the dealer going yourself?
I have been. I think like most things mechanical it all comes down to operation and maintenance. Granted I ride a BMW so I have a high tolerance for mechanical pain.
Thanks for the real info. As Mr. Diaz pointed out my other ride is a sportwagen and I see all the fantastic claims on the TDI forums. I've logged every tank not for mileage claims but because a number of years ago a local Mobil station put gas in the diesel tanks.
I'm not doing the lift, bumpers or winch until the tires wear out. I will do the GDE tune and Trans controller in right away when the timing belt and water pump are done. I've got a local performance diesel shop that gets good reviews on a few forums and he has two other Liberty CRD customers.
I've read about this and I believe you are correct, esp about the re-flash. I sure hope you are.
The driving factor in this is my recent change of employment and the permanent addition of Chace's niece to our household. I'm now working locally or I get on a plane while Chace has a 80 mile a day commute which she's been doing in the mini. Did I mention there are also two teenage boys living with us? Suddenly the mini is rather small.
So, Chace gets the TDI, I get the Liberty and the mini gets sold. We also have a Jeep Wrangler (TJ) that the boys drive.
The secondary benefit is we drop a payment which is always nice. The acv of the Liberty is 10.3 + the dreaded 199 "doc" fee which is the best price I've seen on a Limited.
Run before your hard on for that stupid thing gets the better of you.
All the negatives of a diesel without most of the benefits, completely ignoring the fact that the Liberty itself is a complete pile of shit, poorly put together. Pass.
They should have never gotten rid of the XJ.
Have any of the haters *owned* one?
Odds are none of them have even driven one. I love the drive train in mine, the usable power of this slaps the V6 Tacoma I am going to buy in the face. Jeep did miss the boat by not putting this engine in the US market JK, jealousy of the engine is what Wrangler guys have!
They like being on high passes in the mountains!
I bought a '05 new off the showroom from Jasper Jeep in Jasper, GA drove it cross country and shipped it home. The only think I didn't like was the local (Lack of) Service Dept. Mileage averaged 22-23 with a high of 26 on strictly HWY trips once in a while. Loved the torque but that dropped when Jeep realized the auto tranny couldn't keep up with it and sent a service order out to reflash the motor and detune it a bit. The change to ceramic glowplugs was expensive, it was a conversation starter, best thing I ever did was buy an extended warranty which paid for itself the first time I took it in with a dead trans!
Sold it two years ago when I went overseas, they are all over europe with six speeds and proper service (Italian VM Diesel) and euro auto dealership accuracy.
Do I miss it, kind of since it was long paid for, bought a Tacoma when I came home six weeks ago, given HI's diesel prices I'm burning more fuel but spending about the same. Diesel over here just "Dropped" to $4.79 at Shell, Regular is $3.89....
From what I hear it may be; I recall at least one comment from a guy with regards to the ability to handle WVO - something to do with the IP.
I've never driven the diesel but had a long-term rental in a Liberty with the 3.7L engine. I beat the living #$%t out of that thing and I tested the "trail rated" badge they slapped on the side of it. I came away actually liking it and I wasn't able to kill it but I'm sure that thing died an early death. It seems like the fuel mileage advantage of the diesel will be zilch when you figure in our local diesel prices which (in CT) are nearly a buck higher than regular gas per gallon. I seriously doubt it will go farther on a dollar of fuel than the gasser. It would be very tight with four people and all their gear for a weekend skiing but with a roof box it would be doable.
I'm not so much a "hater" as I am a "you could do a lot better for the money" kinda guy.
And I did take one as a demo for a week or two back when I sold cars. Compared to the other used cars on the lot it was a pretty miserable little vehicle. Squeaks, rattles, the cheapest looking and feeling interior. I wanted to like the thing because it was a unique vehicle and I'm into that.
It's the Internet. Some people are going to tell you they're the best vehicle in the world, get 45 mpg, and wipe you're ass. Others will say the opposite. In the end it's your money. If you like the thing buy it.
Oh...I have a rare camo roof box that for the right price could make its way home with you.....
It's funny how things work out sometimes...
I was pretty close on a few CRD's last week but didn't pull the trigger. A leading candidate was in Washington State. Getting it home wouldn't be such an issue as I'm going to the west coast at the end of the month, but alas it sold. It was almost exactly what I was looking for right down to the color and it only had 69,000 miles. It went for 13k
Next up was one in WI with 85k with an asking price of 14. Pass.
Then the other day one pops up right here in Providence. Owned by a retired state worker it is an 06 Limited with 40,800 miles. It's perfect in every detail. I was ready to conclude the test drive at the bank but she didn't have the title so she got a deposit and I get to wait a few days...