Jeep Patriot or Compass - how are these things?

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  1. jackd

    jackd Long timer

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    Price was also the big driver for me when I was in the market. The base price for the Patriot, up here in Canada where things always cost more was around $18,500. Everyone was having their end of the year clearout sales at the time, so I did some comparing. Many were showing base models in the $20,000 range. Unfortunately, my wife will only drive an automatic and so we were suddenly looking at a major jump in price because this was not an entry level transmission. The Ford dealer would not listen to my requests for a basic vehicle and said the best they could do was $24,000 - I walked away and bought the RAV4 for much less. I wish you all the luck in your search - and no I'm not trying to convert you into buying a Toyota. The fact that you want a manual transmission should make your search easier, is my guess.
  2. Jurgen

    Jurgen Trolljegeren Super Moderator

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    I know other poster's may be... but I'm not (yet) actively shopping. Just kicking tires. Will be for a few years hopefully. :lol3 Another poster wrote that he was mainly interesting in the $15k to $24k (US) market. I agree, but would go to $30k think interesting things are happening these days in value the bottom end of the market... Though, as with everything, those prices seem to keep creeping upwards.

    I currently drive a 4cylinder manual everything GMC Canyon. When I do buy the debate is between keep the canyon and add a sporty/effecient/practical car or sell the pickup and get something like a RAV4 or Subaru Forrester. :dunno
  3. jackd

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    You've got some deciding to do there before you start focusing on your final purchase Jurgen. My wife just mentioned to me that she was the prime force in the decision to buy the compact SUV, which we finally did. :huh Even though this is only partially true, I will nod my head in agreement to keep peace. Hell I even had to show her that these bloody things were the same size as her old beloved Dodge, before she would agree to one! Thank god, it will be many years before I have to go through this ordeal again....

    If you've got a few years before your plan to purchase, I would suggest that you start checking out the various offerings out there. The only unfortunate thing is that all these vehicles are gettng so complex and fancy - even at the bottom end of the price line - that some of the features that you enjoy now might be gone in two years. I've even been hearing about manual transmissions being dropped from some designs. I still think that bare bones is the way to go - unfortunately the driving public doesn't share my belief. Maybe that's why I drive an old GS.
  4. bryantjt

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    Just shy of 18,000 miles on it (2010 Jeep Compass 4x4 2.4 liter 5 speed) now and still like it just as much as I did a year ago. Mileage has gone up to averaging 27mpg on my 20 mile (one way) commute. Never did do the power lock or cruise installations, I like the simplicity of it all.

    I've taken a few 300 mile (one way) trips and even being in the Jeep for 5 hours I'm not tired or sore like I was with the car.

    Every weekend we lay the seats down and load it up for a day of racing the RC trucks at a track 40 miles away. The back gets pretty full with 2 trucks (my girlfriend races too), work table, toolbox, 2 chairs, EZ-up canopy, cooler, 2 gallon water jug, and misc. other stuff for the day. It is easy to clean out at the end of the day, the fabric seems to be fairly stain resistant.


    Last winter it was a riot in the snow, the AWD just plain works and there is no transition from slip to grip, the 4x4 lever seems a bit silly for poor road conditions. The 4x4 lever is beneficial though when the snow is higher than the bumper and you don't feel like shoveling. The computer "thinks" too much and you won't get far in AWD with ESC on. Turn off the switch on the console, flip the 4x4 lever and motor away no problem. I think part of the traction control is torque management and if you have plenty of traction but heavily loaded pushing snow it will cut the engine and you will stall. Hit the magic button and you're golden.



    The basic Firestone all season's that come with the 17" wheel package worked better than the Firestone Winterforce snow tires I had on the Stratus, I'd love to see how it performs in the snow with good tires.....but that might diminish some of the "fun:evil" of winter driving in abandoned parking lots.

    In that same line of thought, the stability control works well up to a point. I have a 90 degree turn onto another street I take every day, it is a side street and the plowing isn't that great. If I overcook the corner the stability control/traction control activates cutting power and applying the brakes to the wheels individually and will stop a slide......however if you keep your foot in it it will start to spin the tires and it can get away from you. It is not a perfect system if someone didn't already know how to drive in the winter.
  5. PhiSig1071

    PhiSig1071 What's ******width?

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    It's amazing how hard it can be to find a car at it's advertised base price! I actually do like the RAV4, it's a good vehicle, and it would be a very serious contender if I find the same issue you do, that it's very comparable in price with the Patriot. We'll see, I have a co-worker who is very good friends with the family that owns a Dodge/Jeep dealer in Sierra Vista, so I look forward to checking them out. Not sure when, though, my work schedule is pretty crazy right now.
  6. jackd

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    Dealers will always try to upsell you, much to my dismay. I guess many just fall for it - not this guy. What I found is that if the model that I wanted wasn't on the lot, they seemed to have access to other Dealer's inventories or the manufacturer had a storage facility in the regional area which might contain what I wanted. So don't fall for the 'we don't have any' bullshit. Stand your ground. This is also the end of the 2011 lineup and so they are more than willing to bend to your needs.
  7. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    We have a '09 Jeep Patriot that we traded in a 200,000 mile plus Jeep Cherokee in on, now with about 30,000 miles. 2.4 engine, CVT auto and 4WD. It is actually a little larger inside than our Cherokee was. with the seats folded down, I can load 10' 2x4's and close the rear door. 26-27 MPG with my lead foot. 4WD works great in the snow and mud.
  8. ddavidv

    ddavidv Thrifty not cheap

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    Bringing this one back as I'm shopping used Patriots (the Compass cargo area is too small for our needs). I'm pitting the 'riot against the Forester as we currently have an '02 that is getting long in the tooth. This is my wife's car but I drive it frequently since my company car is covered in cartoon graphics and an embarrassment to be seen in. :bluduh

    The Forester and the Patriot are darn near identical in many ways. We looked at the Patriot at the auto show as kind of a joke and came away going "Dang, that thing would work pretty well for us". Nothing inherently wrong with the Subarus, but I'm kind of tired of them and the mileage is nothing spectacular. Upsides are the resale value is incredible even with a gazillion miles on them and they are easy to find in a 5 speed. Not so the Patriot. I've found a couple, but they are 2wd.

    So I'm torn. I mean, we don't need a 4x4 for the couple snowfalls a year we get here, but having it has spoiled us a bit. We don't go off road; that's what the dual sport bike is for. We mainly need a vehicle of this type for dog hauling duties. So we could live without the 4x4, but there are two concerns: one, resale value (because I run these things to 180,000 or more and sell them, never trade), and two, I just am bothered by the notion of something with 'Jeep' on it that isn't 4wd. Try convincing me the 4x4 version isn't worth the $1500 price premium.

    We're shopping 2007-2009 vintage with a price ceiling around $10k (hey, I own a KLR, what do you expect?). A manual trans is a must on multiple levels, so no CVT is in the cards. I know not to get a sunroof, and that the ball joints are crap. Aside from that, they seem awfully reliable and possibly moreso than my head gasket and catalytic converter needing Subaru. Still need to drive one to see if they are comparable in performance and handling to the Subaru. I'll admit some reluctance to going with a domestic product, but all the long term reviews seem to support the 'riot having a long lifespan.

    Oh, and if anyone can get me a membership on the Patriot forum I'd be thrilled. Multiple attempts to join and two unanswered emails to the admin have gotten me nowhere. :dunno
  9. PhiSig1071

    PhiSig1071 What's ******width?

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    I still havent bought a car. I was seriously pissed when I went to a Jeep dealer and couldn't touch a Patriot for less than 150% of MSRP. I may end up with a Jetta TDI Sportwagon. The mileage of the Patriot was ok, but now my gf got a job in Phoenix, and I'd like something with better then 30mpg, otherwise she's burning her paycheck in gas going there and back.
  10. jackd

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    OP here. If I was going for the Patriot, I would go the 5 speed route as well. I'm not sure how the 'world engines' hold up - their design hasn't been tested by time yet. As I posted previously, we went for the 2wd RAV4 and it does amazing service climbing up to the local ski hills. Lot's of pep and we have had zero issues so far. There is a RAV4 T.V. ad running up here in Canada saying how something like 75% of all RAV4's are still on the road - I believe it. I personally run a '07 Dodge Caravan and I had to replace the heater fan on it yesterday at 28K miles - I will not be buying domestic again. Good luck on your hunt.
  11. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    Our '09 Patriot now has 41,000 miles, CVT tranny and 4WD. Still as good as new, no rattles etc. Our driveway is 3 miles long, unmaintained, un plowed dirt road that friends call the Bagdad road. Driven many times in 6-8" deep unplowed snow. Many times in deep mud. Seems to always get 26-27 MPG, runs perfect. An excellent choice so far for our requirements.
  12. azcycle

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    07 Patriot Sport - 2wd - CVT auto here. Just turned over 82,000 miles and doing fine. Last year drove it cross-country (Tucson to Mid-NY-State and back) and got 30mpg averaging 75mph... performed flawlessly through howling winds, massive rainstorms, snowstorms, etc.

    City gas mileage has dropped a bit lately to around 24mpg. It's in need of it's first CVT service, which apparently should have been done at 60k but I got bad information from the local stealership and said I could go as high as 90k. They now tell me it should have been done at 60k. Also noticed a slight hesitation on acceleration about 1700rpm but I think that can be taken care of with a throttle body clean (also part of the 80k service).

    Other than that... performing great.
  13. ddavidv

    ddavidv Thrifty not cheap

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    I test drove a 4x2 stick today and have to say I was expecting far less. Power is certainly decent. The shifter is way better than I expected. Brake feel could be better but it stops like you want it to. Ride was pretty compliant and it's far quieter than our Forester. It's got 84,000 miles but wears them very well. The interior plastic is cheap and it has zero features being the base model. It feels far more substantial and larger than the Forester but I think they are pretty close in size. I'll have to take the missus over to drive it next week and see what she thinks. This example is a 1 owner new car trade with a very clean history. I also just found a 4x4 stick about 2 hrs away I may look at. The thing is definitely a contender...can't believe after a life of imports I'm actually considering a domestic product. :huh
  14. jackd

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    From what I remember when looking at Patriots, they were dirt cheap to buy new - which was one of the reasons that I considered one. Luckily Toyota was going through a bad spell and decided to fire sale their 2010's out for similar costs - so I went for one of those. I would think that a mid-mileage Patriot should go for maybe 6 - 9 grand? Or am I wrong?
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    ddavidv Thrifty not cheap

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    They were cheap...I think the prices rose substantially. You won't find any under $8000 (and that's with over 100,000 on it). 80,000 miles = $9000 4x2, $10,500 4x4.
  16. PhiSig1071

    PhiSig1071 What's ******width?

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    So....

    I may have decided on what vehicle I may be getting. A Mazda CX-5. I test drove one, and I was very impressed. Handled well, very roomy, tons of standard features, reasonably priced ($20k) and great mileage. 32/Auto, 35/Manual. The only concern I have is that it's a completely new, untested, unproven vehicle, and the first fully Mazda built vehicle, since separating from Ford. Could be a good thing (Ford investment bringing Mazda's manufacturing/design a boost) or a bad thing (Mazda's first vehicle, no real experience to build on maybe?).
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    ddavidv Thrifty not cheap

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    Oh yeah, I guess I didn't update this. :D
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    So, how you likin the "new" Patriot?
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    ddavidv Thrifty not cheap

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    It's only been a few thousand miles, but so far so good. The one gripe I have (and it may be correctable; have to re-read the manual) is the auto door locks which lock when you hit a certain speed do not automatically unlock all the doors when you open the driver's door, which they do on my company Sebring. This probably wouldn't annoy me so much if I wasn't spoiled by the Sebring which I drive A LOT.

    We checked gas mileage once so far, with a lot of short trip jaunts, and it was around 25 mpg. I'm eager to run it on a highway trip to see what it does.

    The rear sill height is substantially higher than the Forester so I have to lift 2 of our 3 dogs up into the thing, which I didn't have to do with the Subaru.

    It is so much torquier (is that a word?) than the Suby. I can lug this thing at much lower RPMs and it will just accelerate, where the Forester 2.5 would be very unhappy. The much lower highway RPMs are also nice. I find I don't drive this as fast, either. The comfortable cruising speed is 5-10 mph less on the highway (depending on mood). This has nothing to do with feeling safe or anything; it's just the speed I find myself motoring along at. Odd. Maybe it's the taller seating position...don't know. Should be good for my license at any rate. :deal
  20. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Do they unlock when you turn off the motor? Mine did.

    Jim :brow