Just Butt-Time

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by bananaman, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    Butt-time. How much time actually sitting on the bike. Not counting time off the bike, time stopped to snap photos, time with the bike in the shop- just butt time.

    I get a lot of questions, and I'm working on one now, asking, how much time sitting on your ass-

    So I said to myself, well, I said, it's about 12,000 miles from the US/Mexico border, to Ushuaia. I don't know what my actual moving average speed was, but I'd say it was probably between 30 and 40 mph. Sure, I zipped along at 80 once in a while, but in some of the mountains, I was scrapping my pegs at 20mph.

    Simple math then, 12,000 miles at 35 mph takes about 343 hours, or 68.5 days of 5-hour days.

    So if you have 3 months, you can do plenty of side-trips and slow-explores; you can fix your bike, fix your self, and take a day or two off every week; and you'll have a great adventure.

    Except that it takes at least four days to get from Ushuaia back to Buenos Aires. (And I think about that long to get back to Santiago, right?) So if you have three months, you basically have 115 days to get to Ushuaia.

    Right?
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  2. damasovi

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    master that is some great thinking!! I will drink to that, ok just water 'cause I am out! :freaky

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  3. bouldergeek

    bouldergeek Filthy, poor KLR dweeb

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    I've been out of the US for nearly four months and only made it to Panama.

    7000 miles down, with 5000 miles on my rear D606 and still riding it!
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    boulder maybe if you ride some you will make farther south!!! lol!! enjoy it man I wish I had your time to go also!!

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  5. BeachGuy

    BeachGuy Lost in paradise!

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    Riding from the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region> boarder down to <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Panama</st1:place></st1:country-region> is most probably the worst Butt Time riding on a complete ride to Ushuaia. That being said, it’s because of all the boarder crossings and check points (read as $$$). Also if it’s the first time for a new rider there is just too much to stop and see. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    I have never been past Panama but from what I see written in the forum, once in South America you get longer riding time between boarders. Also less hassle from the boarder agents.

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    6 to 8 borders, depending on Belize and El Salvador. At least 2 hours each, maybe 3. So 12 to 24 hours crossing borders... This time needs to be added to the butt-time. 3500ish miles from US/Mexico border to Yavisa, at 35 mph: 100 hours. Or 20 days of 5 hours per day for riding.

    Does this sound about right?
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  7. BeachGuy

    BeachGuy Lost in paradise!

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    My Butt hurts now just thinking about. Thank goodness for cantinas and cold beer.

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  8. Nata Harli

    Nata Harli Accidental Tourista

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    I'm sitting on my front porch, enjoying the fall weather with a Knob Creek whiskey in had thinking "Bananaman's got waaaay too much time on his hands (or should that be butt)".

    But you make a good point. I've done Mexica and CA and as much as I like it, when I start my South American trip in a couple of years, I'll be flying my bike to Colombia and starting out there. I'll be able to fly my bike down there much cheaper than riding it. Plus the time saved and the wear and tear on the bike saved and it's pretty much a no brainer.

    When you reach Panama, you've still got to fly/ship your bike to Colombia anyway.

    So, using Bananaman math, my butt will be in much better shape if I fly the bike to Colombia rather than ride it.
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  9. bananaman

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    Hi Ken :freaky

    I'm just trying to break it down so that when I say, "3 months, do-able in 2, better to do it in 4," I have some data for backup.

    If any wives of any riders are reading this, we'll say that it takes hundreds and hundreds of hours of sitting on a bike riding and riding and riding and at the end of each day you're way to exhausted for anything else.

    5 hours of riding, per day, seems reasonable, right? At 35 mph that's only about 175 miles. If you stop every 175ish miles, you'll end up seeing an awful lot. Plus you'll have 19 hours of not-riding. If you sleep for 8, then you still have 11 hours to fuck around. I mean do adventures and stuff.
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    Posting from the bar at the Avalon Grand Panama hotel, in Las Cumbres, up the hill from Panama City. Man, Panama City sucks for riding! The Atlas beer is cold, fortunately.

    What a crazy, eerie and
    futuristic place Ciudad de Panama is. After getting lost for about an hour and a half, I finally found my hotel. To get here, I received an escort from eight fully armed Policia Nacional officers, on four DR650s! One drove while the other carried the machine guns; no joke. They surrounded me and formed a phalanx around me, finally
    getting me to my hidden hotel in the hills. I think they liked riding
    with the "loco gringo sin armas." One of the coolest experiences of the trip, being threaded through traffic surrounded by sirens and ridiculous weaponry.

    Well, somehow I turned 3500 linear miles into 7000 roundabout ones. I'll go down to Yavisa and see what is there. I'd like a sign, like in Ushuia.

    I am glad that I broke the trip into two parts of Mexico/CA and South America. I might lose my mojo pushing in to South America at this point. I, too, will ship to Colombia when I have the fundage to attempt SA.

    OK, what is my butt time for a lap of South America? :eek1:D
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    bananaman, 11 HOURS of adventures, you're the man. You need to do a commercial. Titled "Who needs Viagra when you do a Central American Bike Ride."

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    Bouldergeek- Right now you're less than a mile from where I grew up. 1970-1982, Las Cumbres was home. Believe it or not, it was a wild suburb. No fences around yards, no bars on windows... we swam in a lake, played in the jungle (there used to be jungle there) and rode horses. We also had a farm, in Chilibre, not far from the Madan Dam.
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  13. crashmaster

    crashmaster ow, my balls!

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    I think I'm with Bouldergeek on this one. No way in hell I could do an SA trip from home in four months. Well, yeah, I guess I could do it, but it sure wouldnt be much fun. How would one make time for wine, women and beer? Or something like that.
    Being a tourist is one thing. tourists spend around 2 weeks in one place for the most part. If you ride SA in 4 months, youre not even a tourist, youre more like a ghost.


    All that said, I definitely made the wrong choice for a bike to do the trip given the fact that I ride about one week then sit for four. The DRZ would have been perfect for this. A 300 mile range, no battery needed, can be re-jetted in 15 minutes, weighs 280 lbs soaking wet, and I can damned near do a top end rebuild with my tool kit. Anyway, a moot point now. Lets just see how the 990 holds up.
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    I'm trying to remove the subjectivity and establish the minimum butt time. What anyone decides to do with this info is completely up to them.
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    crashmaster ow, my balls!

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    understood.
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    It's not unlike basic flight planning.

    Lots or riders ask, "How long does it take to ride to Ushuaia?"

    I say, "2 months, if you hustle."
    Dave says, "About a year, if you hustle."
    Vince says, "About two years, if you hustle."

    Lots of riders ask, "I have a month free. Can I ride to Panama? Can I ride to Machu Picchu? Can I ride to Ushuaia?"

    I say, "You can ride to Panama but you'll want to fly home."
    I say, "You can ride to Machu Piccy, if you start in Bogota or Cali or Medellin or Quito or maybe even Cartegena but preferably Lima or Santiago and maybe Buenos Aires but certainly not Ushuaia unless you really want to hustle."
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  18. bouldergeek

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    That is all well and good. I, however, have found a constant: you can't ride anywhere in Panama (this October) for more than three to four hours at a time without getting pounded by rain. So, the coefficient of perceived misery on said butt-time is increased at random intervals.

    You can, however get free wifi and good flan at the TGI Friday's in David. shoot me, but I just couldn't take any more fried chicken and lentils.

    And apparently you can't ride from Boquete to Bocas del Toro.
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    this is such a great thread, just butt time can take you many places, and what you do with it is all you

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  20. crashmaster

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    Raoul Duke just did a Nebraska - Mexico - Guatemala - Nebraska trip in about 30 days IIRC. That boy was really making some miles though. Maybe he will chime in here, but I think he averaged around 250 miles a day for the whole trip. That included rest days.

    I cant imagine anyone doing the same trip any quicker and actually enjoying themselves.

    He did see a lot of stuff and had some good adventures. But I think he did one day of almost 1000 miles in Mexico and on a DR 650 to boot. :loco An iron butt in the US and on a 1200 cc touring bike is childs play in comparison. :D

    You gotta make the most of the time you have and he sure did that I reckon. :thumb
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