Just Butt-Time

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by bananaman, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. BobLoblaw

    BobLoblaw Comfortably Numb

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    I work approx 48 weeks a year at 5 days a week. Thats 240 days a year and I sit on my butt about 6 hours a day so thats 1440 hours a year.

    I've been working about 35 years so thats 50,400 hours sitting on my ass.

    Now that my butt has some serious experience I'm retiring and plan to spend considerable butt time on my motorcycle:freaky
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  2. pdedse

    pdedse paraelamigosincero

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    The more I read this, the more sense it makes. I mean if what one really wants to see is SA...bite the shipping bullet and save the butt time for something else. I love OR and California, but don't enjoy riding through it much just to get to Mexico. I love Mexico and C. America, but wouldn't want to just ride through it to get to S.America.
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  3. crashmaster

    crashmaster ow, my balls!

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    Well here is what I can tell you right now given the way I am doing this trip and how many miles I am making even when I try to make big miles in a day..

    I'm in the southern part of Mexico on a big KTM. I wish i had my DRZ. In central america, I'm positive I will wish I had my DRZ. In SA I dont know, but if I were a bettin man, I would say I still wish that I had a 400-500 cc dirt bike.

    YMMV and I'm a dirt bike guy since I've been a kid. If I could get rid of this pig and have a smaller bike right now I would be inclined to do it. Hopefully once I do get to SA, I will be very happy that I have the big bike.

    I think even a DR 650 is too much bike for the this trip and the KLR which so many folks love, doesnt even come close to t off road capability of the DR 650, IMO , which my opinion aint worth anything really.

    Unless you are a glutton for punishment, you're not going to do much more than 300 miles a day, and that's if youre on the pavement! I can do a 300 miles of not so nice dirt in a day, or I can do 300 miles of pavement in a day. You will wish you had the small bike and stayed off the pavement.

    I have been regretting my choice of a big bike every day of this trip so far. As a matter of fact, I am very inclined to ride this pig home in five days, then bring a real bike across the border. I just might do it if I have enough to drink tonight. We shall see.........

    In the mean time I think I'll have another cocktail and stop drunk interneting. :rofl.
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  4. pdedse

    pdedse paraelamigosincero

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    Haha! Can I buy you drink? :wink: That would border craziness to see you start this trip a third time!

    But I would agree with your assessment. My KLR loaded down--and I didn't have all that much--did not feel very nimble on the little dirt I got to do in Baja.
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  5. Pedro Navaja

    Pedro Navaja Long timer

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    Crashy,

    That's smart. You've got lots of discretionary time. I'd get the smaller bike and ditch the pig. 650cc d/p max would be my suggestion, though I do my riding down there on a 250cc.
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  6. daveg

    daveg no longer homeless

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    +1!
    I've set up my DRZ for traveling and will use it on my rtw trip next year. I'm sure there will be parts where I'm hating it, but I have the time.. so f'it. Plus, my nearly new DRZ cost $3600. You can do alot of farkling to add up to the cost of even a liter+ bike!

    The only part of the Ushuaia trip where the DRZ would suck is Argentina IFF you take Ruta 3, aka the fast non-scenic way. If you take the normal way south (Ruta 40 and carratera austral), then DRZ would be great.

    I know my CA average speed was way less than 35mph, especially if you consider all the traffic/construction/rain delays/stops. But then again, I was traveling in rainy season. If you did it at a better time, you'd be able to get more butt time. I'd ride for 4-5 hours taking minimal breaks in the AM and fnd a place to sleep by 2pm.... otherwise fight urban flooding with open sewers :deal

    I did some supernasty water crossings in towns in Guatemala and Nicaragua.

    I think 35 mph is a good average if you're going to be riding pretty hardcore and making up for slower times in CA in Mexico taking cuotas at 85mph. One of my crazy friends rode from the Texas border to Guatemala (antigua) in 2 days. He was fucking flying on his 1150gs probably averaging 110+ on the cuotas and 60s in the twisties of chiapas. How he's not dead...
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  7. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    This was not me, but I wish it was! :clap :clap :clap
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  8. crashmaster

    crashmaster ow, my balls!

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    Wow.:yikes Although the cuotas are pretty safe, but still. I hear you though, he had someone or something looking out for him on those 2 days, no doubt about it. Its probably a stunt that you could get away with once, maybe twice if you were very lucky.

    Anyway not to hijack this thread too far off course, I am considering turning my trip into a RTW gig and if that does happen, I will probably ship the Katoom home and go with my DRZ instead after I put a fresh top end on it. The big Katoom is a capable and reliable bike, I just think its too much bike in the long run for the riding I like to do.

    Dont worry bananaman, I am keeping track of GPS butt time on this trip.:thumb
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  9. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    Some people go to the smorgasbord and take forever in line. They need to try everything. Me? I go straight to the reindeer meatballs, and I jump ahead with barely an Excuse Me.
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  10. alphajory

    alphajory Been here awhile

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    hey crash

    glad to see that you are keeping up the pace to many miles could ruin your adventure. I like the room on the beach as i look out at the snow. There 's 5 ft in the mountains and the bike is parked. :cry After the week at PV and in order to miss the really shitty weather i had to hustle back to northern Canada 4.5 days from PV to home. The 990 can do serious miles when you need to 5500km 4.5 days.
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  11. bouldergeek

    bouldergeek Filthy, poor KLR dweeb

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    Bump this thread.

    My butt time is about to increase as I migrate from tourist to getting home Gringo.

    Might be missing southern Pacific Mexico on the way back. Up near Yucatan, and not wanting to go back South offroad in Guate. I think I discovered the difference between a KLR and a KTM 690.

    What would you do?
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  12. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    Ride your ride, but keep your inner scientist occupied by taking anal notes. By now I doubt that you have the distance or speed to influence your moving average speed. Cumulative moving average, total miles, and total butt time- that's the question. When you're done we'll have Dave make a pretty chart.
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  13. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    Bump for Kingato.
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  14. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    Ken and a few others have mentioned the idea of flying the bike to Colombia, "and biting the shipping bullet." I'm going to suggest that shipping the bike to Colombia is not only faster, but cheaper.

    I get about 40 mpg on my '96 R1100GS. Some bikes get about 50-60 mpg. If it's 3000 miles from Texas to Panama, that's 50 to 75 gallons. At $4/gallon, that's $200 to $300 in gas.

    I get about 4,000 miles off a rear TKC, 4000-8,000 off a front. Rear TKC's are about $175 in the US, $250 elsewhere. Front TKC's are about $150 in the US, over $200 elsewhere. Figure on a set of tires to get to Panama. That's another $325-$400.

    Oil change. My oil filter costs about $20, plus $5/quart for fancy BMW oil. Add another $50.

    Hotels. It'll take at least a week (iron butt style), or a month (normal style) to get to Panama. Hotels are about $15-$25/night. You can find cheap hostels, and you can stay at the Marriot, but $20/night seems reasonable. That's $140-$600 in hotels.

    Borders- I can't remember what they all cost, but I think it's a little less than $100, total?

    Cuotas- in Mexico the toll roads aren't cheap. If you take them half-way, it's at least $100. Take them all the way, and I think it's closer to $200.

    Travel Insurance- you buy it by the day/week/month. It's not cheap. Say $25-$50/month, depending on what kind you get.

    I'm not including food or beer cuz we all gotta eat.

    Riding costs somewhere between $940 and $1520.

    I'm in Wisconsin as I type this. It's almost 2000 miles from here to the US/Mexico border. So for me, add three nights in a hotel and 50 gallons of fuel at today's $3/gallon... another $300.

    Shipping to Colombia costs about $1500-$2000 from most major US cities.

    Right?
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  15. BeachGuy

    BeachGuy Alabama & Costa Rica

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  16. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    Bump for Tellfred, who is in Guatemala on slow internet.
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  17. YOGOI

    YOGOI Prick

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    Boo.
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  18. TUCKERS

    TUCKERS the famous james

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    Thanks for the math bananaman.

    Mid November Colleen and James will set off for TDF. We will test your theory.
    We are simply going to ride to TDF the quickest/shortest route, straight there no detours. We have a sailing booked for 6th December on the Rat.

    We have a set amount of money and 6 months max to get there and back (we may ship back).

    We figure 200 miles a day on average.

    We will be riding two DR650's.

    We are not trying to break any records, our goal is just to get to TDF. We choose our time frame and method and money after much deliberation with our family.

    We hope to do some 400 mile days and bank some days for R&R etc.

    We have 'done' the other three corners of this land mass so it's a personal goal rather than anything else.

    We want to 'ride' the bikes the whole way (except Darien of course).

    We will keep a log of miles and money, and intend to just keep moving south until half our time runs out or half our money.

    We MAY extend the time down and fly back if the money allows it.

    We are not too concerned about not making it.

    We'll do a boring ride report.
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  19. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    It's waaay cheaper to fly back than to ride.

    When I was heading back, somebody reminded me that more people are killed going Down everest than going Up.
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  20. TUCKERS

    TUCKERS the famous james

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    Yep. It's just the Badge of Honor though, riding there and back.

    We rode to Labrador and back
    We rode to Alaska and back
    We rode to Florida and back

    I think starting out and coming home are the high impact areas for sure.
    Last September 2012 we set out for Cabo San Lucas and within 650 miles I hit a cow and was on my way home!

    Money may/will prevail though. We'll see how much we spend in 12,000 miles or 3 months and then figure it from there.

    I'm thinking $9000 to get there not including the darn almost $2000 we'll need for the Rat...so what $11,000. Pretty sure we can get ourselves and the bikes flown from BA to Los A for much less!
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