Just Goosing Around... First steps into Guzzi land...

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by England-Kev, Nov 16, 2012.

  1. F_Sahms

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    In my Eldo I ended up using straight 50 wt in the front forks. Their action is as sophisticated as a fist in a coffee can of oil.

    This tool helps:

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    And this one to get the fork back in the upper clamp:

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  2. eldomike

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    Couldn't have described it better myself :D

  3. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    Easy! easy? I couldn't get the fork legs out of the tripple tree no matter how hard I tried:eek1 in the end I gave up and bolted everything back together:huh

    I think my bike may well be visiting the Guzzi shop.
  4. F_Sahms

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    How did you try to disassemble? The fork-leg tops are a taper fit in the top triple clamp. The method I use requires an old fork-top nut.

    Loosen all the clamp bolts.

    Remove top nut and replace with your used one, but don't thread it all the way down.

    Pound on used nut with hammer to free the taper fit. I've never even needed the heat wrench, but it may be helpful if they're really stuck.

    If it's the lower clamp that's stuck, heat, penetrant and maybe a tapered screwdriver or chisel in the slot may help.
  5. danedg

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    Here are the tapered top ends of the forks. These show an additional threaded piece which may or may nor be specific to the 74 Eldo, but that was not to problem when I was tearing down.
    The 36 mm left fork top nut just spun right out of there, just like it shoulda...
    The right nut and fork kicked my ass!!!
    The problem ended up being, the tapered ends were not sucked up into the tapered receiver as well as they originally were.
    The right one was not fit tightly, you can see the lump of grease on the taper. It should have been clean like the other.
    When it came time to remove the 36 mm bolt, it's was sticky, but the whole assembly was spinning around underneath.
    I ended up lifting the whole assembly up so the taper fit tightly and was able to extract the top nut.
    It did it to me a coupla times. Sunuvabitch!!!!
    If you "lift" the whole assembly the taper will reseat and you should be able to pull the topnut and the whole deal then comes apart as described in Italian...:lol3
    The key is, you'll need to insert an appropriate washer betwixt top nut and tripple that will tightly suck up the taper. The top nut doesn't tighten down enough anymore without the washer.
    If the taper's tight, the nut will pop every time...

    PS My pics are dyslexic. What is the right fork is shown left.
  6. F_Sahms

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    My 73 two-shoe drum Eldo doesn't have that additional part. There's just the fork-top nut (plug in the parts book 1250-4500) that threads into the fork tube.
  7. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    My old guzzi does not have what you would call a proper oil filter, just a gauze in the sump. so I am thinking of adding two diesel inline fuel filters to the head feed pipes. one on each side to keep the oil pressure the same to both heads.
    Now normaly according to my research filters are usualy fitted on a return line to the oil tank, but as the Guzzi doesn't have an oil tank, I therefore have no return line, so would fitting in a feed line cause problems, or is the return line thing just to stop debris reaching the oil tank as I suspect.
    This is what I am thinking of fitting...

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PETROL-DI...arParts_SM&hash=item35b59103e6#ht_1415wt_1075

    What do you all think?
  8. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Hey Kev this issue has been round and round and most of the guys riding theses bikes any distance would tell you that the factory setup with no filter is ok as long as you keep the oil changed often and clean the sump.
    As far as adding filters they should be on the output or pressure side of the oil pump, but if you were to add externally then I would be concerned about extra places that could leak high pressure oil and if not caught quickly could mean big trouble for your new engine...just my $.02
  9. F_Sahms

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    I wouldn't, but it's your bike. Where the loops need an oil filter is in the feeds to the mains and rod bearings, not the little amount of oil that lubes the rockers.

    You can convert the old blocks to add a filter, but it's a lot of machine work.

    Drop the sump, clean the screen and pressure relief valve, and thereafter just change the oil often. These things go a long way without a real oil filter.
  10. nick949eldo

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    Are you going to put a couple of hundred thousand miles on that bike? If so, it might be worth it - but probably not. I wouldn't bother.

    The PO had put an external filter on my Eldo. On one trip I limped back from the Gaspe Bay with oil pissing out of the connectors. Its just one more potential source of leaks and road damage. My other roundfins are just fine without!

    Nick
  11. England-Kev

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    just asking questions my friends, we don't learn if we don't ask.... :evil
  12. nick949eldo

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    Kev,
    I hope that didn't come across as snotty - if it did, it certainly wasn't intended. I asked a similar question over on Wildguzzi early in my Guzzi life.

    Nick
  13. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    not at all Nick, no worries mate:freaky just thinking out loud really, as I wait to get time at the lock-up:evil
  14. England-Kev

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    Hey Nick, that 750S rocks man, I see one of those in my future:clap:clap
  15. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    Just a short bimble on my Guzzi...

    Just to warm it up so I could change the oils, and find the stripped threads left by a previous owner, that now need sorting out. Luckily they were only on a level screw, and not a drain plug.

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    I now have a new oil leak, after curing all the others, this time from the distributer, I guess there is an oil seal or o-ring at the base where it goes into the block.:huh
  16. davebeef

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    There is only so many places that oil can leak from Kev and you're fairly workin your way through them. Every one cured mate is a winner. Wish I could get started on the Ambo but must get the rest of the fleet ship shape first. Out on this years maiden voyage on the B33 today. God I love big British singles!
    DB
  17. eldomike

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    Takes a gasket.....Can't believe you are fretting over a few oil leaks on the Guzzi....you ride Brit bikes also don't you :D
  18. England-Kev

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    I am calling this bike the Exxon Valdez, it is embarasing, I have greenpeace following me everywhere I go:lol3
  19. England-Kev

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    At last work and life have eased off a little, and I was able to drag the Guzzi from the lock-up, and take it for it's annual MoT (Ministry of Transport) road worthiness test. and it passed without any advisories. :clap Way to go little guzzi.
  20. England-Kev

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    Do any of you know the "New" length of fork springs ?

    I have finally managed to get my fork legs out, all I need to do now is make a tool to undo the seal holders? if any of you hve such a tool, could you post a picture or two with measurements please.:clap