Just Goosing Around... First steps into Guzzi land...

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by England-Kev, Nov 16, 2012.

  1. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    And so it lets me down again!:huh

    Today was to be the first camp with the Guzzi, I have worked on the bike every evening these last two weeks, and all last weekend in an effort to get it ready for my annual midsummer trip to the Barge Inn. But on dragging its sorry frame out of the lockup today, it would not, and has not started. I can only think I have knocked a wire off under the tank somewhere, when I wired in the indicators yesterday, because that is all I have changed since the weekend when I had it all running.
    Also, I again have two oil leaks, one from the distributor shaft again, I knew that gasket was useless, I said so at the time, it is the wrong size for my bike, so I am going to have to make one. The other "new" leak, is from the back of the gearbox, somewhere near the top, this one is enough to leave a puddle on the garage floor?

    Maybe it is time to pull the whole thing apart and go through it all, rather than keep trying to fix the ongoing problems I seem to have inherited. Anyway, it is now locked away again in disgrace, and I am now just about to load up the BMW for my trip to the Barge, and a nice pint of cool Cider.

    Have a good weekend.:freaky
  2. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Yo Kev, don't be discouraged. I always remember something an old wrench once told me. "Look for the trouble in the last place you worked"...
    I almost always find the I did something dumb, (missed something, forgot to hook something back up or pinched a wire). You will get her sorted in time. And remember, you knew about the distributor leak so you can't get upset about that one. As far as the gearbox, check the breather tube up high, mine was cracked, yours may be as well. All it took for mine to fall off was me messing with something else and I bumped it and it fell on the floor. All is well in Guzzi land. She just needs a little more love man!
  3. Rob Farmer

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    I know how you feel Kev. I nearly set my evo harley on fire on a couple of occasions I was so pissed off with it breaking down every time I rode it. Fortunately the engine and drive trains good it was all the bodges and poor workmanship from previous owners that was the issue. It's pretty much sorted now but took a lot of blood, sweat and tears along with a heap of time to sort it out.
  4. Rob Farmer

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    We were all too polite to mention it Kev :wink:
  5. England-Kev

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    I managed to get a chance to look over the Guzzi today, it still won't start, so I pulled the plugs, they were wet, so it is getting fuel, dried them off, and warmed them up with a flame, checked for spark, all Ok, tried a different coil, and new HT leads, still not firing? I shall fit new plugs , points, and condenser, then go over the timing again. and see what happens:huh
  6. danedg

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    Pay special attention to the new cap,wires,crimp ends,caps and plugs.
    I found it easy to get sloppy with the ignition wire set up that led to poor ignition.
    Make sure the caps are tight on the wires and the wires are solid in the distributor cap.
    Time the ignition by turning the crank until the distributor points break. If they don't break at the arrow, adjust the distro until they do.
    Have a pint, :freaky
  7. Penderic

    Penderic Format C:/u

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    I had a set of Cravens Comets like yours. Now I have a nice set of Golden Arrows Craven panniers on my Guzzi V7 Classic and they look right at home!

    I think your bags would look better a few inches more forward if you have the leeway on the stay bracket clamps... maybe an inch or two higher up....

    The Craven company is breathing and some original hardware bits are available again....http://www.cravens.org.uk/
  8. davebeef

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    Kev,
    You are now in a very vulnerable phase of bike ownership. After the time and money you have spent renovating or fixing a ride, a problem, potentially even a minute one, can be enough to tip you over the edge. Countless bikes are sold at this time with a new owner having to solve a simple problem to have a cracking bike with all the big, expensive stuff done. Stick in there. It is almost certainly electrical and some checks in and around where Danelg suggests will reveal the culprit.
    DB.
  9. woodly1069

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    Hey Kev you mention that after having a look yesterday she is still not firing. Do you mean that it's not yet running? You said you checked for spark and all was good bur when you checked for spark with each plug grounded to the outside of each head did you get a fat blue spark? I have seen too many times when a weak spark would fail to ignite the mixture. Think you are on he right track with plugs and condenser. If it fires after that then have a look at he fire from the new plugs vs. The old ones and you'll see the difference. Good luck man, we're still here behind you getting her going!

    Hey Kev one more thing, you mentioned that you installed new high tension leads, did you use non resistor type? I think those work best with our old bikes.
  10. England-Kev

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    Panic over, it is again running:clap:clap:clap


    After pulling it apart again, tank off (leaky fuel tap) seat off, etc I installed new plugs, no go, so I fitted new points and condenser, no go, checked the fuel filters, all clean? :huh
    So I went back to the beginning, checked the valve timing, all good, checked the tappets, all good, re checked the points gap and spark, No Spark? So I fitted another coil, and it fired right up:clap Now I did try another coil yesterday, and it never fired, I wonder if I had both a weak condenser and a bad coil? the coil by the way was the original equipment Bosch coil, so it was due for a change, I have now fitted an old Lucas coil I had kicking about :lol3

    So I have put the old thing on the strobe, and timed it all in, tomorrow I shall put it all back together again.
    I am toying with the idea of fitting a Dyna coil, which colour should I use to replace a standard coil? I may also fit a Dyna power box,


    :deal
  11. davebeef

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    Keep it standard and simple mate imho.
    Leave the Lucas one on it til it starts to give you hassle. Carry a spare. They're not expensive.
    Rgds
    D.
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    :clap We knew you could do it! Of course it's your bike but now that it's running I wouldn't go complicating it with more stuff...
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    ....and speaking as one who knows, its easy to let the smoke out of those darn digital ignition modules. I thought I'd put one on the 750S - expensive mistake! At least I understand points.

    Nick
  14. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    I was going to keep the points, but install a Dyna power box, they just use the points as a trigger..:deal

    what are the causes of an irregular timing spark pattern when on the strobe, mine seems to jump about forward and backwards at all revs, how can I smooth out the timing?
  15. danedg

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    You have an irregular spark.
    The inductive timing light works well. If it's irregular, then the wire's not conducting, and the plugs not firing.
    Check everything and
    Replace the plugs. Again....


    Edit:
    I used a timing light for ignition timing and it was a disaster. It was like a 70's Rock show...real exciting but totally wrong...
    I had much better success with the static timing method...
    Rotate the crank until the points open.
    Bingo
  16. woodly1069

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    Is there a possibility that the weights in the distributor are doing strange things causing the timing to advance and retard?
  17. MZRider

    MZRider Neo-Luddite

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    Yes, weak advance springs can cause this. So can worn teeth on the cam and distributor drive gears, too much end-play in the distributor shaft, worn bushings in the distributor and a worn cam thrust plate.

    Unless the advance springs have been replaced recently, they're past due.
  18. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    I am going to order up some new 8 coil springs, this week:deal

    At last a sunny day...

    1970 Ambo, by the Thames at Reading.


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    I seem to have got the ongoing oil leaks under control, I made a new correct size base gasket for the dizzy stand, that is now oil tight, and the cause of the gearbox leak, was some loose bolts on the oblong cap at the back of the box where the adjuster is, I have now managed to get a slim spanner in there and tighten the little suckers up:evil

    The whole bike rode so much better today, I am even close to saying it was enjoyable:D
  19. woodly1069

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    :clap excellent! Now she needs some proper touring!
  20. England-Kev

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    I may have spoken too soon! Arghhhhhhhhhh


    The oil leak on the dizzy stand has now returned, I can only think now that something in that area is not level, flat or straight. but I will leave it for now. I am going to attempt loading up and going to a rally in a couple of weeks, 200 miles or so, and even if it makes it there and back, I am then going to pull the motor when I get back.

    Even though right now the bike runs a whole lot better than it ever has, I have this inkling something is not right, it still feels rough and lumpy, and has a strange noise coming from the L/H side when accelerating. I am really not sure what the deal is with this bike.:huh