Just Goosing Around... First steps into Guzzi land...

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by England-Kev, Nov 16, 2012.

  1. nick949eldo

    nick949eldo Long timer

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    Kev,

    If its any consolation, my Eldorado has been rough and lumpy for the last 35,000 miles. Even though I just had the heads completely redone (guides, exhaust valves, skimmed etc.). She is still rough and lumpy.

    She only starts to smooth out above 3200 rpm and is smoothest above 4000. Because of the torque, it is easy to find oneself running these bikes like a Harley or old Brit single - way down in the revs and relying on the flywheel effect.

    But its an Italian engine - meant to be thrashed, not lugged.

    Try running her higher up the rev range and see if she's less lumpy.

    Good luck

    Nick
  2. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    Nick I have noticed it is a lot smoother with a higher rev range, and it does like a dose of throttle, maybe it just doesn't like being in town and running around at 20mph, but then I am not that keen either.

    I also notice it wallows a bit on the rear end, Shocks? swing arm? not sure. I have the shocks set on the hard setting, it all feels a little odd. I will get there though.
  3. yokesman

    yokesman Been here awhile

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    for the carb balance ,get the idle right ,then balance them (cables)at your cruise rpm .
    i like the carb sync tool we used on the VW back in their days with a trimmed cup to fit over the carb mouth,or just go by ear and feel,but I have not done this for many years and the ear is not what it never was.
    as for the leak, a thin gasket would probably take care of your leak.
  4. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Hey Kev, I was thinking about your distributor leak last night as I rebuilt my distributor. Question for ya, have you ever had yours out of the engine? Reason I ask is that there is a small piece of oil soaked felt inside the housing that is used to keep oil from migrating up out of the engine and into the distributor housing. Mine was only about half as big as it should have been and I'm sure it was causing a leak after 40 years. Greg Benders website has a full tutorial on how to rebuild your distributor, maybe that would be worth looking into...
  5. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    Well I may have got to the bottom of the dizzy oil leak problem, and it would appear to be a non dizzy oil leak! but a leak from the oil breather trap, running down the bracket, and onto the dizzy stand. The oil itself appears to be coming out from where the bracket is welded on to the breather trap, so I am guessing the spot welds have failed in that area.
    I shall be ordering a new breather box today from Germany.

    Today I also fitted a nice new shiny Blue coil, I bought it from my local motor factors, and it was cheaper than ebay.:clap
  6. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Most excellent man! Glad you found the source of your frustrations!
  7. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    I hope I am right, I will know on Saturday when I pull the old part for a good look, I notice on the new replacement breather boxes they sell now, that the little bracket is missing, maybe this was a known cause of oil leaks?:deal
  8. danedg

    danedg Horizontally Opposed

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    What bracket? My box sits on top of the two hoses for the feed and return lines and carries the overflow tube.
    We don't need no steenking brackets!
  9. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    danedg is right. Well at least mine is like his, meaning I have no bracket either...hope that winds up being your problem and is easily fixed!
  10. nick949eldo

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    Mine too (actually three). The breather box on all my round-fins attaches with two short lengths of hose (and jubilee clips - hose clamps for those on this side of the pond) to stubs coming out of the top of the crankcase. Could some former owner have welded the breather box on?

    Nick
  11. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Hey Nick, I'm gonna hijack here for a minute...baby is in the cradle! :D

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    Slowly but surely coming along!
  12. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    you can see the little bracket here...

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  13. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    I would agree, that you are correct about a bracket in the drawing but mine has no evidence of ever having one...
  14. nick949eldo

    nick949eldo Long timer

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    Wow, that sure is pretty! I can't wait to see you with her on the road. This is one of the best things about this forum - vicarious pleasure from other peoples triumphs (and occasional disasters).

    Nick
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    Same here - no brackets on any of the breather boxes. They are just supported by the hoses.
  16. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    I wonder if they had a problem with them leaking on the earlier models, and so dropped the bracket on the Eldorado? anyway my new breather box, will have no bracket, when it arrives.:deal
  17. davebeef

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    Hi Kev,
    Like yours mine also has a bracket in place. No sign of any leaks though which is probably the reason it is coated in rust.
    Rgds,
    Dave.
  18. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    And looking great too:clap
  19. MZRider

    MZRider Neo-Luddite

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    That bracket was another of the "odd" things Guzzi tried sometime in '70 (on US bikes anyway) along with the toe only shifter and the "P" shaped headpipe-to-frame clamps. Didn't have it in '69, had it for a few months in '70 and then it disappeared never to be seen again.

    Could be that your breather box is rusted inside to the point that there's a pinhole right at the bracket. Lots of them are very rusted inside...
  20. eldomike

    eldomike Who Cares

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    Seems I remember some of the V700"s had a bracket....you can shake the breather, shouldn't rattle...also the little flapper valve should be present and work as it should....great seeing these bike being built...