Just sayin

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by hapbob, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. hapbob

    hapbob Been here awhile

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    This is more fun than you would think!!!!
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  2. jaydmc

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    Not legal in many state, Washington will ticket for it. I have a customer who had one of these on a silverwing who was ticketed. They now have a sidecar. Under fereral law by deffinition having 4 wheels it must pass all automotive regulations rather then motorcycle regulations. Twice at shows I have asked the maker of another brand of these "trike kits" how they get around the regulations, both times they turned thier back on me and started talking with some one else. This sort of thing was tested when developing the sidecar trike class and was found to not be safe to complete the course due to the need to do swerving maneuvers. When swerving hard one way you load one out side wheel, then when you swerve back the energy is transfered back and you end up with a tank slaping head shake. When we remove these type of units before we do so if it is ok with the owner of the bike I have any employees who have not done this before try a swerve at about 10mph in our parking lot just to see how bad it is. Also you have added to the overal mass of the bike while reducing the traction on the rear wheel so the question of course is why are there not brakes on the extra wheels? At least with sidecars when people do not put brakes on the sidecar you have not reduced traction at the rear wheel.
    BTW the Burgman makes a great sidecar bike.
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  3. BeeMaa

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    Dude, get a proper trike or sidecar.
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  4. hapbob

    hapbob Been here awhile

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    Why you Hating on my Scoot ...All I said this is more fun than you would think....
    See you don't think and you sell sidecars...just sayin
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  5. hapbob

    hapbob Been here awhile

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  6. BeeMaa

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    Fine...it's fun.
    You win.
    Enjoy it.
    Just don't pretend it isn't a scooter with training wheels, because that's exactly what it is.
    Not a trike and not a hack.
    Just sayin...
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  7. hapbob

    hapbob Been here awhile

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    I am not sure I win...
    It drives like a trike
    But doesn't fit description of trike
    and you may have pointed out I am driving an illegal vehicle...!!!!!!!!!!!
    Now it is really fun being a Rebel!!! Just sayin
    Thanks
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  8. Melrone

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    You know its only illegal when you get caught...Here in Wisconsin they're legal..You see alotof them on Gold wings here.We have a gentalman in my town with a650 Burgman with the voyager setup ands loves it.. If it keeps your face in the wind more power to you.....:freaky
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  9. YOUNZ

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    If you raise the 2 out wheels 1 inch off the ground, not more than 2 or 3 three wheels are on the ground and any time, then you're legal! And you can tell the cop I said so!
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  10. Offcenter

    Offcenter On The Road Again!

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    Looks like a solution in search of a problem to me.
    Sorta like, "What would ever possess someone to do that
    to a perfectly good bike?"
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  11. tattoogunman

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    If it's against federal law, how do the companies that make the "training wheel" kits get away with it? Then how do the people that do the conversions get away with it? About the only bikes that I have ever seen with the "training wheels" on them were Harley's, this is the first non Harley I've seen them on.

    I've never understood the point in them - I guess it's a way of having something close to a trike without having to spend all the money to get one? A cheap way for people with a disability to have something more stable? I'm not knocking the OP, to each their own - just curious.
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  12. Bobmws

    Bobmws Curmudgeon At Large

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    See lots of them running around Central Florida, not only on scooters, but Goldwings and Harley dressers. Poor man's trike!
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  13. jbcaddy

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    Calif DMV allows them. I always wondered what they were talking about where they mentioned 4 wheels untill I saw a similar rig on a big bike.
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    DavePave Been here awhile

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  16. jbcaddy

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    Hmmm, guess I will have to dig out an old vehicle code book and see if I misread it. could have changed or I could be wrong :evil
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  17. Sidecarjohn

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    I'm with the view that the cops don't get involved because they don't know, or don't want the confusing hassle.

    On the other hand, "legal" isn't always a problem until something goes wrong.
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  18. FR700

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    :clap:clap:clap , good on ya.

    The only one I've seen here in oz was on an st1100 .




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  19. hapbob

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    Response From State Motorvehicle:

    Thank you for submitting your question via the SOSWebMaster! Your inquiry has been forwarded to me for a response.

    While your motorcycle may have 4 wheels on the road, your current motorcycle endorsement is all that is needed for you to ride legally. The vehicle is still technically a motorcycle, although somewhat less maneuverable. The only difference under Michigan licensing laws would be if you used a motorcycle with more than two wheels to complete your skills test as part of the licensing procedure. That would result in an endorsement limiting the rider to use of a vehicle with a three point (triangular) configuration.

    I hope this answers your questions.
    Ride safely and enjoy your bike!

    Joe Kelly, Analyst
    Motorcycle Safety Program
    Michigan Department of State

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  20. Melrone

    Melrone Been here awhile

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    :clapJust enjoy the ride..Way too many laws to worry about..Rubber side down!!!!:freaky
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