Kalle's Indian Chief Projects

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by kallehof, Jul 25, 2011.

  1. Nixels

    Nixels Face fears - live life

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    :clap :clap :clap Progress, indeed! :clap :clap :clap

    Good job, Kalle!
  2. RideDualSport.com

    RideDualSport.com TPB all the way

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    Congratulations! That is a lot of very hard work that takes tons of dedication to accomplish! There is nothing better than seeing another old Indian on the road!
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  3. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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  4. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    Here's a Chief at Bike Week in Daytona Beach, Florida. The year? Hard to tell. Your guess is as good as mine. But I wouldn't change a thing. She's beautiful.

    * rigid (pre 40)
    * frame mounted shifter (post 36)
    * oil pump (post 37)
    * handlebar mounted headlight. (pre 38)
    * ball joint shift linkage (post 37)
    * cut down chain guard (pre 37)
    * bayonet mount gas caps (post 36)


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  5. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    I'm selling off a few extra parts I have left over from my 37 project. The original flywheels are one of them.

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    Turns out the fellow (Chris) I sold them to is also working on a 37 project and had been following my thread here. Here's his 37 project.

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    Kalle Hoffman
    San Francisco, CA
  6. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    The side stand assembly was one of the few parts that were not being reproduced when I needed one. Jerry Greer Engineering listed it on their website but it was out of stock. Years of eBay searching came up empty, So took a Indian four side stand mount and added the "tongue".

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    Note the Heli-Coil thread fix on the left? Well that didn't last very long.

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    Fortunately I had access to an original side stand bracket to use as a pattern for my fabricating.

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    I made the tongue a little longer than stock so that it would grab the battery case a little better.

    Kalle Hoffman
    San Francisco, Ca
  7. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    The threads in my side stand bracket were shot so the first pass of fixing them was to use a Heli-Coil.

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    That didn't last long so the next step was to insert a Big-Sert. Big-Serts are like Time-Serts but are, well, bigger.

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    Time-Serts and Big-Serts come with a reamer that cuts a step into the hole for that head of the Big-Sert recesses into.

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    The sert was a bit long so I ground the extra off with a Dremel.

    Kalle Hoffman
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  8. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    It took years of hunting for the correct sidestand before I came across this one (left) on ebay that was made by Micheal Breeding a few years back. Micheal hasn't produced these side stand in years which may explain why Greer no longer has them in stock.

    Then after another few years I came across an original side stand (right). I didn't need it but from some reason I was compelled to buy it. Enjoy.

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    Kalle Hoffman
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  9. Twotaildog

    Twotaildog Old Poop

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    Nice job on the side stand bracket.
  10. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    You can ship a frame in the United States via USPS or UPS. The key is to avoid the "Large Package Surcharge", an additional $100. If you measure the length and girth of the frame it just falls under the limit of 130". If you box it up it will be over 130" so best to wrap the corners in cardboard and the whole thing in plastic wrap. In 2009 I had a rigid frame shipped from Alabama to Southern California for $85 and a in 2014 I had a plunger frame shipped from New Jersey to Southern California for $150. You will need to go to a shipping center (not a UPS store) to get this rate and you may have to stick to your guns to get the lower "standard" rate as most UPS and USPS folks don't have much experience with motorcycles frames.

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    Kalle Hoffman
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  11. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    Before I bought my 1937 project I took a field trip over to Ron Simm's Custom Motorcycle Shop in Hayward http://www.ronsimms.com. Ron had a number of Vintage bikes on display including a few Indians and Harley Davidsons. At that time I was just about to "pull the trigger" on my project deal after six months of negotiating. I thought it would be cheaper to buy Ron's bike rather than building a bike from scratch. After building the bike I suspect it would have been. With the benefit of hindsight I should have bought his bike and built my own.

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    It was a bike that had been running when he put it on display on his showroom years ago. I had a running 1948 Indian at the time so I wasn't too hungry to have a bike that I could ride right away.

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    1937 Indian Chief in the foreground, a Scout (1937?) behind it and a 1948 Chief behind that. All Indian Red.


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    Note the release worm lever on the right end of the clutch rod is pointing down. Indians engage the clutch when you push the clutch pedal (like a modern car). Harleys disengage the clutch when you push the clutch pedal. Who over set up this bike must have been a Harley guy since it is set up to disengage the clutch when you push the clutch pedal. Also it is a right hand throttle (shifter is on the left) that is also a Harley thing.

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    Note the oilers are plugged in the case. A good indication that it's a 1937 case.

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    The bike has been sold and is no longer in Ron's shop. Wonder who bought it?

    Kalle Hoffman
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  12. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    The headlight for a 37 chief is a one year only beast. In seven years I have never seen one at a swap meet or on Ebay. It holds a 6 1/2" lens which is on the small side for lenses.

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    Fortunately Greer sells them and had them in stock when I ordered mine.


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    One thing to note here. The screw that holds the bezel on is perpendicular to the bezel and has a large square head. Most headlights have the screw parallel to the bezel and acts to clamp the bezel.

    Kalle Hoffman
    San Francisco, CA
  13. gww

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    great job..
  14. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    kallehof kalle

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    Marcin Okla-Anuszewski (MOA) sent me these pictures of a lens for an 37 Indian Chief. Original lenses seem to be as rare as hens teeth. He says it was used on 1933-1934 HD and on 1933, 1937 and 1938 Indians. He bought it in Davenport a few years back. The repop lenses are good but are missing the backside scripts.

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    Note: "TOP" and "MOTOLAMP" no "Made in USA"

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    "M pattern" in the middle.


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    "CORCORAN BROWN LAMP CO"

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    "PART NO 981"

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    "Patent NO 1345073" You can see the actual patent on google: http://www.google.com/patents/US1345073

    Kalle Hoffman
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    kallehof kalle

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    I've had two engines rebuilt by Jim Trochet in ValleJo, California. He is a Master Indian and Harley Machinist. Can't thank Jim enough for all the hard work and dedication he puts into everyone of his builds.

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    kallehof kalle

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    Here's a short video of the first start up on my Chief. I was having some trouble getting a strong spark from the Magneto and asked Indian Guru Red Fed to come over and help me out. There was some oil in the Mag which had fowled out the points. So after cleaning the magneto and points out the bike started up for the first time. After it started the idle was way to high so I shut it off (grounded the mag) to adjust the throttle cable. Progress!



    All Indians very slightly but here's my starting procedure when cold:

    Key off full choke 1/2 spark advance full throttle 3 kicks. Do not twist throttle! Tip the bike to the right. Key on choke 1 click on 3/4 spark advance barely twist throttle, 1-2 kicks!

    I know not all bikes are the same, but on the Indians wicking the throttle 3-4 times seems to flood them out. If it floods I turn off the key and hold the throttle wide open and kick it a few times. Then sometimes if you hold the throttle wide open with the key on (on a hot engine) and choke off it will fire up easier.

    Kalle Hoffman
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    Twotaildog Old Poop

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  19. gww

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    how great is that.
  20. kallehof

    kallehof kalle

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    One of the goals of building a 1937 Indian Chief was to ride over the Golden Gate Bridge on the 75th Anniversary on May 23rd, 2012. Hap Jones was the first Civilian to ride a motorcycle across the bridge when it opened in 1937 and he was a member of my motorcycle Club (San Francisco Motorcycle Club) and I felt it would make a fitting tribute.


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    Fitting it would have been if my bike was running and road worthy. It was neither.


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    But I did enter my bike in the Field.


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    And it displayed well.




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    Red Fred's 1937 Indian Four. He road this bike over the Golden Gate Bridge in 1987 in the parade with Hap Jones. Just behind is Fred's Model A with Hap Jones tribute.

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    Hap Jones (http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/halloffame/detail.aspx?RacerID=205) passed away in 1989. But his son Lorin Jones was there and shared some stories about Hap.


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    In 1987 there was a pedestrian parade across the Bridge to celebrate the 50th anniversary. So many people showed up that the bridge lost it arch and flatten out. It really wasn't an issue but officials decided that it may not be wise to do that again. So no Official Parade for the 75th. But the SFMC still made a day of it.


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    It was a special day and the weather was wonderful. From Left to right: Kevin Holm, Kalle Hoffman, "Red" Fred Johansen, Tucker Perry, Dave Shiller, "Santa" Robert Hannson, Jane Williamson, Brian Holm. Photo by Lisa Hom.

    Kalle Hoffman
    San Francisco, CA