Karoo 3 for 990?

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Boredsurfer, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. JRod152

    JRod152 will work for tires

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    FWIW...

    I now have about 1800 miles on this Karoo 3 140/80-18 rear mounted on my 950SE w/ stock rear rim (2.5"). I have not tried a 150, nor have I tried mounting a 140 to a ADV rim.

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    The tire has basically only seen the road. I put on about 1000 commuting miles with some light off road and gravel mixed in around KC. Then, I used the tire to slab home from Gunnison, CO to KC, KS after a 2 week off-road stint in Colorado (on knobbies, of course).

    The twisty mountain roads that I encountered on the way home before hitting flat land were unfortunately wet, so I couldn't really push it too hard. Then, once I hit Pueblo, the straight and boring hit, and the tire fell into the utilitarian use of highway duty @ 80mph. It wasnt too noisy by my account (like some complain of), but certainly not as smooth as a more street oriented tire.

    Additionally, I rode with a new great friend on the trip, & he mounted a Karoo 3 front on his Adventure for the trip. I have not tried the front Karoo 3 and was interested in his feedback. He was putting twice the slab miles on as me and needed something that was gonna last. He didn't like it: it wouldn't hold a line in a rut, rather just fall to the bottom, not good in sand, no bite in mud & grease... the opposite of my experience w/ knobbies. Funny... we had several conversations about how we love that Pirelli Rally front. :)

    After having done 1500 HARD miles on & off road on knbbies, with very predictable and favorable results, I like these "compromise" tires even less. The Pirelli Rally front & rear railed through hard pack, rocks, sand @ the Great Sand dunes, mud, greese, and twisty pavement (Cottonwood Pass was such a blast!) Then, when mostly worn, I rode some (gnarly for a big bike) goat trail single track and 2 track (Tomichi, Hancock, Tincup, Snowblind, Canyon Creek) and it did amazingly well! Frankly, I was amazed.

    I can't see the Karoo 3 doing near as favorable in those (mostly offroad) conditions. Granted... the knobbies were toast in 1500 miles, but I was trying pretty hard to be rough on them. $180 & 3 days later MSS had another set at my door ready for thrashing.

    Anyway...

    The Karoo 3, after having about the easiest life possible, is now squared off and worn to the point where I would not leave for an offroad trip with it mounted. It will do great for street duty for another 1500 miles, I would guess. I still like it way better than the K60's or Mefo's, on all accounts except tire wear.

    So the dilemma in my head is this...
    Screw mounting and remounting knobbies and "compromise" tires. I need to buy a second set of rims for street duty. It seems wrong to do this for an SE, but it makes sense for getting true life out of tires that will be mostly used for street duty with light offroad and gravel occasionally during my commuting and road trips. I hope to take a fall trip to Arkansas to ride Ozark mountain roads, and Continental TA's are in order for that trip. I just wish they had a 140 for my narrow rim. Any suggestions on a rear 140 mostly street tire (besides MT90's)?

    BTW... this was not intended to be a knobbie review, but felt the comparison was good for reference. If you didnt know my feelings on those Rally's yet, you now do. They suck... don't buy them. :lol3

    Anyone have a set of 19/17 rims they need to part with? :) Feel free to flame me or offer your thoughts. I'm no expert... just an enthusiast looking for motorcyling euphoria. :D I told my wife I didnt find it on this trip. "I felt like I was pretty close, honey, but there's gotta be more out there." :evil

    Where to now?
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  2. ericGSsti

    ericGSsti Been here awhile

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    Well lads. Got back last night from a weekend away to the Paddy Dakar event here in Ireland. I put the Karoo 3 on especially for this event. Drive down on road, do the event 60/40 road dirt, drive back. Around 800 Km's in total. The tire was good on the road. No rain so cann't comment on that. Durin the event on the Forrest tracks and mountain trails it didn't leave me hanging. Not even once. I was confident at all times and really drove it on. The bike went where I wanted when I wanted. Even in the mud the tire didn't spin up. Loved it. (I have a Karoo 2 on the front.) there is a lot of wear for the distance traveled but most of it is from rocks etc. I'll keep you posted and I'll add pics later.
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  3. el queso

    el queso toda su base

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    Looks like they're in stock at Revzilla and Motorcycle Superstore.
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  4. liftedlimo

    liftedlimo PNW Stump Jumper

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    Got that email too. If they last twice as long as my 140 Ill get the 150. But if it doesnt then why spend double on the 150?
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  5. Rodknee

    Rodknee the post is mightier than the sword...

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    Agreed. Waiting on mr. Sti's assessment of the 150 before making my decision.

    I think for nearly 2 bills, the tkc may be a better deal. Jury is still out though.
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  6. Vector Leto

    Vector Leto Adventurer

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    Revzilla's web site shows that they're out of stock for the 140 and the 150.
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  7. Ramv

    Ramv Been here awhile

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    Nonsense. My SE is my favorite street bike. Smoother tires and it would become a comfortable sport bike.

    I just wore out a set of Continental Trail Attacks on the Multi. They were good street tires but only 6000 miles out of the rear 190.

    I just put on a set of Angel GTs. Had the closest near wreck I have had in years. Front let go in the rain. I am guessing there was some clay on the road. That is the smoothest tire I have had on the front of the Multi. I would suggest something with a little more tread if your riding includes anything other than dry pavement.
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  8. ericGSsti

    ericGSsti Been here awhile

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    My apologies. I-phone broke the last day I posted. Only got it back on friday. I'll be home tomorrow so I'll take pics and measurements then. But I'm happy with
    The tyre for everyday use. I'll get back to you tomorrow.
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  9. Rodknee

    Rodknee the post is mightier than the sword...

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    no rush, take your time. i know how you irish like to drink, so i figured you were passed out somewhere.... :freaky
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  10. ericGSsti

    ericGSsti Been here awhile

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    Lads I have just short of 2000kms on the 150 Karoo 3 and its close to done for. I'd say I'd be lucky to get another 1000kms road riding out of it. I've taken pics today but for some reason since I got the phone back it won't upload pics to the net.

    B18c5rodney: if you PM me your email I'll send on the pics to you.
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  11. Rodknee

    Rodknee the post is mightier than the sword...

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    pm sent. :1drink
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  12. bikepsych

    bikepsych Been here awhile

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    Well that is damnably disappointing. Only 3000 kms? My Heidenau K69 150 went 4000 and probably has another 1000 miles left in it. Well, my Karoo 3 rear tire (150) is supposed to be here Wednesday. Will give it a shot. For almost $200 it better last.

    BG
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  13. liftedlimo

    liftedlimo PNW Stump Jumper

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    3000k is just under 2000 miles. Seems like the 150 is out. Another 140 or a TKC it is... Decisions decisions
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  14. Rodknee

    Rodknee the post is mightier than the sword...

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    it won't last. it will be fast on pavement and off, but it will wear quickly. i think the 140 is the better deal.
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  15. AdvRonski

    AdvRonski They call me......Ronski

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    Final report on a 140/80 Karoo 3 on my 950Adv. After 2200 miles it looks like this-

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    I thought about squeezing one more 300 mile ride in with it, but you can see the carcass is starting to touch in between the knobs.
    I did a lot of dirt road drifting with it, and it had a similar lifespan to a TKC80 under the same riding conditions.
    Not sure I will buy another one.
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  16. BlockPass

    BlockPass Been here awhile

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    I put the 140 on my 990 and it was my least favorite tire yet. Scary under breaking off road, and end up blowing it out on freeway around 2000 miles in. Never going back on my bike.
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  17. nikoktm

    nikoktm Been here awhile

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    I have those ones for a week now. Excellent tyres. I will post a picture tomorrow
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  18. ADVill

    ADVill Been here awhile

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    Sounds like not much of a tire. Not hearing any good mileage out of them(not that that is everything). Looks to me like it would slide out easily also with those large lateral grooves.
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  19. SpeedyR

    SpeedyR SE in the SE

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    just saw a press release yesterday from Metzeler that they will be fitted on the new Honda Rally 450 bike with a new Metzeler Karoo Extreme that is being developed for rally racing.
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  20. Hay

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    +1
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