KAT - Kentucky Adventure Tour route development

Discussion in 'Central – From Da Nort Woods to the Plane States' started by markdvk, Sep 25, 2012.

  1. markdvk

    markdvk Been here awhile

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    Ok, here we go! After a couple of flash mob type GPS guided dualsport events and the discussions that followed, it was suggested that we develop a "Super Loop" around the more interesting areas in KY. Jeff@thequadshop has already mapped out a route that's about 1,000 miles, mostly in Eastern and Southeastern KY. That is the result of several years of work.

    Now we are recruiting riders who can point out good riding that they are familiar with and record GPS tracks from them.

    Can someone help setup some ground rules here? First on my mind is that we need some way to verify that the "roads" that are shown on the maps are still public. I covered one in the old Livingston riding area a couple of years ago. Then I found out from talking with a forest ranger that I had trespassed on private land. But even the forest service website still displayed an out of date map as we talked. At least we have to make a good effort.

    A very general way to rate the sections might be good but hard to pin down. A black diamond trail to me might be a bunny slope to you. Ratings for ground clearance, steepness, obstacle crossing (logs, ledges), hill climbs might be considered. Ratings could be for "small bike" and "big bike" with the KLR being at the big end of "small bike". Heck, KLR might be it's own bike type with everything else either being small or big.

    Jeff has marked his loop with plenty of "GFH" waypoints. We need a standard for Gas/Food/Hotel/Motel. Maybe include the closest city or abbreviation in the waypoint name. "B" could be included for Bike shops that might have needed parts like tubes, levers, or chains. There are small independent shops around KY that could be a trip saver and they may not be listed on the internet to find on your gps or smart phone. "C"camp, "S" shower

    Does anyone know the most compatible file type? Routes are wonderful if your GPS will use them. Some GPS units have a limit on the number of points in a track so that's a consideration. gpsbabel.org has a free utility that will convert most of the popular files.

    I can probably host the data on the server for our shop's website. It may be just as easy to post it to the "tracks" forum here on ADV. Version control will become an issue though. In some cases we may want more than one version and in other cases you may only want the most recent version of a route.

    Now I'm going to get way over my head. My family used to play geocache. You go to their website and ask for a listing of "caches" in an area. The you use a gps to find clues to the cache or maybe direct to the cache. Cache owners hide a small container somewhere on public property, usually with junk you would find in the kitchen just drawer. Then they list the cache and a brief description and some way to find it. The website offers those who find the cache a way to sign in and report on the condition of the cache and their experience. It would be great if we had the ability to store ride reports with the tracks. I can write basic html but I do not have the vocabulary to manage data like that.

    The floor is open...
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  2. JACIII

    JACIII Been here awhile

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    What is the history of this endeavor?

    1) The TeT-S documentation has a trail section rating based on "pig" (GS type bike) friendliness of the trail section. There is also a nomenclature system for waypoints, but that appears to be a bit cumbersome at first glance.

    2) road verification - hopefully we'll be swamped with volunteers for each area.

    3) keeping track of route revisions - just post instructions for file acquisition in post #1 with updates or keep the link to the latest version in post unless there is a concern someone will haphazardly click on the file link and promptly proceed to put their GS or Tenere into places it should never be....

    Does this share any trails with the TeT or TeT-S??
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  3. Goofy1

    Goofy1 Been here awhile

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    As those that know me will attest I'm not good for much more than comic relief but I'll do what I can for this endeavor. Can't do programming, have little or no GPS skills (although I too did the geocaching thang) or any other apparent helpful thing. I have been known to pack a chainsaw on my bike from time to time. :evil

    Thanks Jeff and Mark for all the things that you do so us idjets can have a great time!
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  4. Cannonshot

    Cannonshot Having a Nice Time Super Moderator

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    Looking forward to the final product!
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  5. woodly1069

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    OK, I will help, in fact a few friends and I regularly go out looking for just such things and have some favorites. Are we going to create a database here at ADV? I assume we will not include any paved small roads leading to gravel/dirt, so just "off road" sections right? Is the idea to do some sort of overlay on a map and try to "link" everyone's routes to form a continuous loop? I'm in agreement on the categories that should be defined so someone doesn't think they can ride a section on a "pig" :D That mean me by the way! Love the old GS but there is just some places I would never take her!
    Maybe we should create some sort of central meeting spot where we could share a cup of coffee and thoughts on a Saturday morning! Let's figure out how to make this happen...I'm IN! :clap
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  6. Sourjon

    Sourjon TAT'erd

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    In. I've ridden some of the original tracks that I got from BigDog and really look forward to seeing the final route. Nothing I love more than exploring. I've got a bunch of tracks from the Buckhorn Lake area if I can turn them up. Plus a folder of tracks I've collected from various sources that I have no idea if they are rideable or not. Short on time though to check it all out.

    John
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  7. fattires

    fattires Wandering aimlessly...

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    I live in Morehead and would be happy to check out anything in this area that needs verified. I can save tracks as well if needed.
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  8. mbabc

    mbabc Curmudgeon trainee

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    I'm in. Looking forward to seeing this develop.
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  9. markdvk

    markdvk Been here awhile

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    JacIII sent me a link today to dualsportmaps.com. This website is already doing something I talked to a cartographer / website developer about last year. It looks really promising.

    Fattires, I lived on Morehead for awhile and the terrain is good if you can find access. We had a 1200GS rider from Frankfort in last week (Ron) and I think he rides somewhere up that way. We'll look forward to what you find.
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  10. Reconstructed

    Reconstructed Been here awhile

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    :ear:lurk
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  11. Goofy1

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    So is the plan to verify Jeff's route or plot new ones or both?


    09-25-2012, 07:44 AM #64
    Jeff@TheQuadShop
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    I've been working on this for several years, I call it the KAT or Kentucky Adventure Tour. It's right at 900 miles of KY's finest dirt, gravel and two lane roads.
    It's basically completed but I need to get in a final run before it's released.
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  12. craftycoder

    craftycoder Motobrain PDU

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    Dualsportmaps.com allows for collaborative map editing. It may be a very useful feature. It's also quite a trivial process to move tracks from one map to another via a clipboard copy feature. Let me know if you have any questions.

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    :lurk:hmmmmm:D
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    I'd say both. Jeff's plans had some problem spots a couple of years ago. Things like where a strip mining company had completely removed a road and replaced it with another one at least a half mile away. There may be other places where ownership of the road wasn't clear. I rode with Jeff 15-20 years ago at the Livingston (sometimes called Cromer Ridge) riding area. Since then I've communicated by email for the last 2-3 years. Finally we are planning on riding somewhere for scouting purposes on 10/10/12.

    Mark
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  15. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Hey Mark, are you guys creating a group to do some scouting in a certain area? Is this something you two can do by yourselves or would you like company to check a larger area? I guess all you have to do is ask and I'm sure more would be happy to apply, myself included! :evil
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    I hope I am overestimating the KyDOT's enthusiasm for paving the planet:cry, but a good overreaching idea of where we want to go reconciled with what areas are likely to yield the most dirt per mile would be a good place to begin a beginning.

    The areas Jeff's route runs through do look like fertile ground for finding good trails/gravel that could actually lead somewhere with the likely addition of the stuff mentioned around somerset. That's my thinking and it's worth what you paid for it.:wink:

    Here is the overview map Jeff posted:
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  17. KneeKicker

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    I have been waiting for this:lurk
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  18. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Oh yeah! :freaky
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  19. Woodsrat

    Woodsrat Gone ridin'

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    Don't let Kentucky's paving fetish make you think the riding isn't any good. Last weekend's "Icebreaker Immitation" or whatever it was called used a bunch of roads that looked like paved bicycle/walking paths and were a total hoot to ride at the expense of wearing out knobbies (if you were running them). It was like a trail ride for street bikes!!!

    If only the perfect tire existed that would give you good grip in the mud yet still worked on pavement and didn't wear out in a thousand miles we'd be in nirvana.
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  20. woodly1069

    woodly1069 Long timer

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    Hey Woodsrat I know I'm going against the grain here but I've run Golden Boys on the road for thousands of miles and aired down on a heavily laden KLR they produced serious results time after time! I have found no place I could not go on the KLR or DRZ. Now that doesn't include rock crawling just so you know :D
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