Kawasaki Versys-X 300

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by shyam334, Nov 8, 2016.

  1. rhapsody01

    rhapsody01 Adventurer

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    That comes from my local SW-Motech supplier (France).
    I'm curious about what Motech Canada will tell you about that.
  2. Ken in Regina

    Ken in Regina Been here awhile

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    FWIW, I've been able to scrape the footpegs on both sides in the twisties. I'm as confident playing sport bike with it as I ever was on my GPz550s.

    ...ken...
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  3. DavidM1

    DavidM1 Unicorn hunting

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    That is impressive lighting. I'm going to have to look into this for my old BMW.
  4. Jesper Hedegaard

    Jesper Hedegaard Been here awhile

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    Here in Denmark it's very simple: retrofitting xenon and LED to any regoistered vehicle is illegal - simple as that.
    On various xenon etc. kits, it's not that silly; plenty of examples of how the extra heat has scorched front (plastic) glass and then the issue of the ligth patter - and especially often the lack of automatic height adjustment. So they are banned - caught with them on open street: a fine and very likely an invitation to our local MOT....
    LED's are banned so far - this is most likely because very few cars as of yet have them from factory, thus not many has been approved here yet.
    Again the light pattern (or lack of same) is an issue - heat doesn't aplly to LED's. And perhaps our local authorities are "a little" behind on the latest developement......
    So - I would experiment with LED's - especially if a specific brand/model is recommended from several users - but xenon....I wouldn't go that way.
  5. cyclopathic

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    Or they're illegal alright in US too (anything without DOT markings is illegal) but it is not really enforced. Out of people I know only once someone was stopped, and he got a warning. In that particular case cop was looking for excuse to stop a car driven by who appeared to be teenager to do the curfew/alcohol check.

    Worse case scenario? You get a repair ticket and will be forced to put OEM bulbs and go to state police barracks and have it inspected.. then put stuff back next day.

    What gets people that at least with retrofit HID kits they were getting those weird blue/violet colors. Never had problems with 4500-6000K kits.
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  6. SoManyFish

    SoManyFish Been here awhile

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    In Canada, under federal Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations vehicle lighting has to conform to "a standard or recommended practice issued by the SAE" OR "a regulation issued by the ECE" OR "a standard issued by the ICE". Individual provinces have their own specific regulations but they do not vary much from the federal regulations. I don't know about other provinces but in Saskatchewan vehicles can get stopped for lighting issues but typically its because a light is burned out, or the vehicle has aftermarket lighting that is very blue (e.g., 7500K), or the light/lights are so horribly aimed that they are useless to the driver and poses a serious hazard to others. So long as your lights are white (e.g., 6000K) and they are aimed reasonably you will have no problem.
  7. SoManyFish

    SoManyFish Been here awhile

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    So, whose engineering prowess do have the most confidence in -- the Germans or the Italians?
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  8. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Enthusiastic curmudgeon

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    :imaposer:rofl
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  9. cyclopathic

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    I have OEM TraX on my Wee and will never get them again, it is Starbucks material. Riveted out of paper thin aluminum with plastic corners, one zero speed drop and they are not waterproof. Questionable quality, one of EVO rack welds came apart somewhere on Alcan. Biggest POS you can get, honestly. Tusks or Happy Trails while inherently ugly are way more practical for adventure use.
  10. Rob.G

    Rob.G Mostly Harmless

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    It's been a busy few days, so I just got caught up on the last few pages... in no particular order:

    Shinko 244's. I've had a couple of sets. They're "okay" tires at best. The rear isn't bad; the front I don't care for. Washes out too easily in loose conditions. Can't complain about the price though!

    Weak subframe. Guess we'll find out in the next year or so if this is a problem. I'm curious if Happy Trail's rack design might actually help reinforce it. They're beefy racks so it might happen. With my forthcoming Cogent rear shock, Happy Trail racks once available, and those big Tusk 37L panniers, I may be the one that finds out just what it'll take. The way I see it, if it cracks, I have a welder and I know how to use it. I'll fix it and reinforce it! :)

    Stock headlight. As others have said, it's mediocre at best. Even with an LED bulb, it's not great. The pattern just isn't very good. The aux lights will help a lot in that department.
  11. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    FWIW, an aftermarket LED bulb generally makes the beam pattern worse, not better.

    Reason being, the point/points of light off the bulb, is further forward from the reflector and often higher or lower, than the original H2 bulb.

    I love the concept of those LED lights; but as aftermarket inserts...they're good for show but that's about it. You are better off with LED aux-light assemblies.
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  12. Rob.G

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    That's not been my experience. The beam pattern is much better on my Tiger and Sprint... unchanged on the Versys-X and DR650. It's better on my truck too, although those particular bulbs aren't very good because the high beam portion is terrible. Gonna have to find a different bulb for it.

    FWIW, I have cheap Chinese bulbs in the two Triumphs... Cyclops in the Versys and DR650, and a different brand of cheap Chinese bulbs in my truck. My STI on the other hand, came with LEDs from the factory (low beams).
  13. Ohio_Danimal

    Ohio_Danimal If I die trying, at least I tried

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    Methinks you need to educate yourself on the progress H4 LED inserts have made.
    The best one's mimick completely the H4's cutoff shield and produce a crisp. clear staggered cutoff just as OEM or (your Xenons)
    Look at the Phillips chips. MUCH smaller and when multiplied in a row, produce similar light to a real filament. Early H4 LEDs with shields used larger COB LED chips, which caused a lot of light to bleed past the shield.

    The days of telling folks on forums to not go LED because of blinding oncoming drivers are over (that is of course, unless you are unaware of them, as you seem to be)

    If the reflector you are using has a decent shape and throws a nice cutoff line with a stock H4 halogen, THESE will work awesome (have been perfect on last two bikes)

    https://www.ebay.com/i/361361228270?chn=ps
  14. SoManyFish

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    Yes, you nailed it. The reflector is designed to distribute light coming from light sources of specific sizes and in specific positions (relative to the reflector: the sizes and positions of the filaments of the OEM halogen bulb. It doesn't matter what kind of lamp is installed, if the sizes and/or positions are incorrect then the entire light pattern is out of whack. But, as long as the LED replacement has emitters in sizes and positions that mimic the OEM bulb then the resultant light pattern will mimic that of the OEM bulb.
  15. Gustavo

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    I think people get confused by the mass market aluminum bags because they look the part. I can't blame Givi, SW-Motech, etc. for capitalizing on that trend, but those are not the same as getting a sett of Jesse's, H-T, etc. aluminum bags. You don't need to crash test them to see that they won't hold up much better than a standard plastic Givi bag when you drop your bike on a trail.

    Gustavo
  16. michaelkozera

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    LED or HID bulbs in halogen reflector housing will blind on coming traffic. do not use them. you will end up killing yourself or worse someone else. i cannot stress this enough. you wouldnt drive drunk right? then please dont drive with the intent to kill someone cuz u clowned your headlight and put me and my family at risk.

    yes , there are some examples of LED's and HID that work in halogen housings and produce "acceptable" glare. i stress the "some", which really should be "few" or even "none" IMO. if you found one that works and does not produce alot of glare then great, but dont encourage others, some kid gonna buy the first 15$ ebay LED he sees thinking its gonna be great cuz he "read a forum post" and murder someone off the road. Optics are a funny thing, they tend to be extremely sensitive. however the reality is most LED/HID kits are utter garbage and will do nothing but create excessive glare, and far to much foreground light to be useful. the added foreground light will ironically reduce your distance vision even tho said headlight is now 3 times brighter...... yeah dont use em.


    FYI , i retrofit headlights for a living ( on the side). ive literally taken apart hundreds of housings over the course of the decade, funny enough most of the time is cuz some clown put an HID in it and didnt like the results, hence why i replace them with a proper Bi-x projector.


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    exactly.

    out of the hundreds ive seen, maybe 2 have been "decent". the rest glare like a mother#$@#.

    not to mention the excessive foreground now ruins ur distance vision meaning u see less of the road down range.

    and if people dont believe me i tell them to try and look out the window of ur house when its dark with the house lights turned on, guess what u cant see very well right? now turn said lights off, u can see clearly outside. this is exactly (i be it exaggerated) happens when you have excessive foreground light. human eyes tend to focus to the object most illuminated closet to you. hence why foglights in cars turn off when u turn ur highbeams on.
  17. rideforzen

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    How about the Versys-x 300LM. For lowered , modified. Are you going to reroute the exhaust to get some clearance back ? Or will the shaved pan get you enough. I may have missed that. I'm curious to see how it turns out. You got skills.

    I will stay out of the headlight debate. But I do hate the , mostly cars and trucks, with LEDs that guys don't adjust right and it's like hi beams in your eyes. At times I flash them only to find they are on low. So please consider the other drivers.


  18. Ohio_Danimal

    Ohio_Danimal If I die trying, at least I tried

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    Did you even read what I wrote??

    If a headlight shell/reflector is capable of throwing a beam with a sharp, defined cutoff using a H4 halogen bulb, then there ARE LEDs out there (a few...certainly not the majority) that will throw the same, sharp defined cutoff with NO glare.

    Or...you can choose to stay in 2014 and keep espousing the same
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  19. michaelkozera

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    i will be shaving the oil pan by 1" and re-routing the exhaust to the side. then welding a massive skid plate over the whole bottom. this "should" return about a 1.5-2" more ground clearance, thus keeping the bike close to stock ground clearance after lowering.

    build thread coming soon!


    stating a false statement and calling it true still leaves the statement to be false, regardless of how many times u say it is true. thats the beauty of objective truths. they are true regardless of opinion. i rest my case.


    if ur particular headlight works and dont glare then i am happy for all of us. but the reality is most do glare, and produce excessive foreground.
  20. cyclopathic

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    The basic 2-piece design of the TraX isn't inherently bad and they could have made it much sturdier by using thicker back plate, more overlap and seam sealant if it is cheaper then just spot welding. And they are still better than plastic Givis in the sense that they will bent not crack so you can actually continue ride after the crash.

    Agree with you AL TraX, Givi's etc just a fad, they are designed for looks not crashing.

    For VX3 something like this would make alot more sense:
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