Kedgi rides Maritimes to Mexico (a trip to the dentist)

Discussion in 'Epic Rides' started by Kedgi, Oct 22, 2013.

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  1. StmbtDave

    StmbtDave AKA Invisible Dave

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    All your problems with the 990 has just reinforced that my decision to dump my 950 was a good one. I loved that bike but it was a maintenance nightmare. Last winter three of us headed to Baja for a two week trip, two 950's and a DR650. Both 950s had fairly major problems that well could have left us stranded in the middle of nowhere. The DR had no issues what so ever. I returned home and started shopping for a 950 replacement. A buddy suggested an old BMW airhead so I picked up a '92 R100GS. It's a piece of cake to work on and I can put both feet on the ground when stopped. Shortly after getting it, I texted my buddy that I had just lowered the carb needles one notch, in the Wal-Mart parking lot, with the stock tool kit, fifteen minutes start to finish. The same job on the 950 took four hours :eek1. The airhead's performance isn't even close to being in the same league as the 950 but reliability and ease of maintenance take precedent in an adventure bike. Besides, the old airhead will have no problems running on Baja barrel gas :lol3.

    Dave
  2. OtterChaos

    OtterChaos Guzzi Guzzi Guzzi

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    Kedgi,

    Sorry to hear of your woes, I to followed "Lobsters to Lammas" last year and enjoyed it very much. I liked your raw reporting style, when you were upset you didn't hide it and that really gave the report an air of realness that some other reports lack. I will say that when I saw this thread pop up my first thought was "He's going back to South America? but he hated the food!" :lol3 . Anyway I agree with tricepilot when he wrote about moving on from the ranting, at some point it will distance your audience from yourself and your issue as all they will see is the ranting. Just my lousy opinion and I have no input on what you should do to move on from this, I just think it would resonate better if you could somehow.

    By the way I plan on heading to South America next year once I retire and I may have chosen a bike with even less support options than your KTM.

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    This is my 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone and my choice to head out and see what happens. Lucky for me that while the fuel filter is also installed in the tank, the V7 tanks is pretty easy to remove. Below is a photo of the stock filter that I removed after 3 months of ownership. I had read that the stock filter was half plastic and could fail so decide to take a look, mine had a swollen look and you can press in the plastic with your finger pretty easily. New all metal filter now resides in the tank. Apologies if I derailed this report and I hope you get back to riding soon!

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  3. VFR

    VFR Been here awhile

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    Been following this thread and don't have a dog in the fight, but is it possible that the lemon law could apply in this situation? Not sure about Canada but here in the US if you have these kind of problems they have to take it back.
  4. UT R1150R

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    Kedgi,

    I started reading your report yesterday, got impatient, and skipped to the end.

    Instead of finding interesting pics of Mexico, I learned that you've been having so much trouble getting back on the road. I'm sorry you're going through all of that BS.

    An idea came to mind that may help in the future. Would it be possible to run an external fuel filter? I ride a BMW which also has an in-tank fuel filter. I've learned that some BMW guys remove it and run the lines through a see-through filter, attached somewhere on the frame. When it gets clogged in Colombia, for example, or some other place where fuel may be questionable, they can easily remove it, blow through it to "clean" it, or just pop on a replacement.

    Granted, this may not be a viable solution when under warranty but something that may help one day if you decide to keep your bike.

    Good luck!
  5. srad600

    srad600 Been here awhile

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    Hey Kedgi -

    Saw your post in the OC, and thought..."what a dog-pile"...I couldn't believe how fast that thread went south. :huh

    I feel your pain as a fellow 990 owner. I have a 2011, and wrenching is not the most fun thing I like to do with myself, I'd personally rather ride. But I've learned that in order to ride a 990 like it was meant to be ridden I have to put in some wrench time (or a lot of $$$$, which I don't have). :puke1

    Although the fuel filter issue is well known in the OC, if you don't frequent that forum you're unlikely to know unless someone else (your dealer maybe?) tells you. A good dealer is key here. The day I bought my bike my dealer told me to do a few things to ensure I enjoy the bike:
    1) Change the fuel filters every 15k miles because they will clog over time.
    2) Change the water pump seal every 20K miles because it will fail.
    3) Put a side stand re-locator on the bike because the stock location is BAD news.
    4) Chuck the stock bash plate and get a real one.

    I didn't believe him until the first set of filters clogged up at 16k miles, and my water pump seal went at 28K+/-. The service manual unfortunately does NOT call for these items to be replaced at regular service intervals(and it should)...but again, having a good dealer or the knowledge and willingness to do the work yourself really helps. I just changed my filters again tonight in preparation for an upcoming ride, so I guess I've gotten used to it. :lol3

    Like someone posted, the filters themselves can be purchased pretty cheap. Also a "splitstream" style filter in the tank filler will help also. Anyway, sounds like you've gotten the bike squared away. I hope you're out riding and enjoying the Baja...hopefully in Baja. I'll be down there next week on my 990, hope to see you in the field.:freaky
  6. Mehaniotis

    Mehaniotis Been here awhile

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    O Boy, hope when you get to Mexico you find something more to eat than Taco's. Hate to have to hear about the poor food choices there.:rofl
  7. vicster

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    Are there any stock fuel injected bikes that DON'T have the fuel filter in the tank? The big difference seems to be the difficulty of access on the 990, especially if you've not done it before, and the uniqueness of the 990 filter design.
    At least on my Triumph a replacement filter is available at any auto parts store.
  8. RexBuck

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    Holy Cow Dwight. I've arrived at the beach and just got the opportunity to catch up with your report. Man, I am truly sorry to see all the problems and frustrations you are experiencing. That sucks!

    The amount of planning and anticipation going into a trip like this or a trip around the world is truly monumental and when it appears the trip is being ripped away from you, it is understandable one might get a bit testy.

    Having said that, find a way to salvage an adventure out of this . . . whatever that may be. A bike is just a bike - don't let a disappointment like this steal your passion to travel and have an adventure.
  9. cycleman2

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    I can't think of any of the new ones that aren't built that way. I changed the fuel filter on my 2000 R1100r, and everything was in the gas tank. Not a hard job and once you did it the right way once it became much easier the next time. Both my BMW & my Harley advised to replace the fuel filter at 25K miles. My current bike doesn't have any recommendation as to miles or time but it has both the screen & a filter as part of the fuel pump assembly. So I'll add that to my maintenance list and replace around the 25 K miles ( unless I have fuel related issues before then and pick up one of each part to take with me on trips as they could be replaced on the road.
  10. acejones

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    Since FI is a high pressure system the pumps get hot. Since they are constantly bathed by fuel in the tank that keeps them cooler and they last longer. The filters are also inside the tank in order to minimize high pressure fuel line failures outside the tank. (And to complicate service)
  11. Tsotsie

    Tsotsie Semi-reformed Tsotsi

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    The issue of FI, fuel filters and bike choice have been discussed to death, over and over again, page after page here and at OC. Kedgi has said he is moving on. Lets get back to the ride - where ever it takes him.
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    casey sohc Been here awhile

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    Just my opinion about all the input from the members,some of it is helpful,some reads to me like a huge "I told ya so" but the fact is kedgi is stuck ish.in a foreign country with a 6 month old bike with issues.... And little to no dealer support, and all some people can do is dump on him for venting.....shame on everyone who dumped on him.. Why not do something useful with your time like trying to get kedgi and his bike home,there is enough of us spiderwebbing North America to help.and to end a HUGE thank you to the gentleman who dropped off the filters,there should be more people like you in the world.cheers jj
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    casey sohc Been here awhile

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    yes i hear ya:D...ride on kedgi.
  14. Crank-it

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    It is really incredible how much you can learn on this site. Not just about travel and bikes, but about people and their philosophies, their likes and dislikes and how they react.

    It has been entertaining and educational, and I mean that sincerely.
    I am not here to criticize or judge but I was saddened by some of the comments, but that's just life.

    In another lifetime, long before fuel injection, I was a motorcycle mechanic and I am amazed at the way FI technology was applied to motorcycles. At first I was apalled to learn that any manufacturer would put the pump and a filter that requires regular maintenance inside the fuel tank. This did not seem to make any sense to this old geezer, but thanks to some inmates on this site, the logic behind this has been well explained and I hate to admit it, but it makes sense.

    So I guess the next best thing is to make it as easy as possible to access the filters and as I understand it, some brands make it easier than others.

    But, the mechanic in me wants to know why fuel injected cars don't seem to suffer the same clogged filters issues. Cars run the same gas, and are also fuel injected. Personally, I have never had to change a fuel filter in any of my many FI cars that I have owned. I am sure with the collective knowledge out there, someone has the answer, or can at least speculate on the answer.
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  15. acejones

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    Crank-it,
    I have wondered the same question. The pumps in FI cars are in the tank, but the filters are rarely clogged. Makes you wonder.
  16. OldPete

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    <--- retired diesel mech.

    The m/c pump bodies are much smaller in diameter and run very tight clearances at the impeller, prolly tighter than automotive pumps. My guess.

    Pumps are in-tank to keep them cool.
  17. cycleman2

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    No doubt a few reasons, here's my 2 cents. Compared to a bike FI system, the car tank is going to hold more gas, have larger sock filters so any dirt in the tank is going to have a chance to drop out of suspension and the larger sock filter would take much longer to fill up. Also there is much less movement of the gas in the car tank than in a motorcycle. All of this would contribute to any dirt dropping to the bottom of the tank and less clogging of the filters. A lot of motorcycle tanks are lined whereas a vehicle tank isn't to my knowledge, and the lining over time can flake off.

    But then again, when I replaced the fuel filter on my R1100 after about 25 K miles, there was no grit on the sock filter, just a drop of water that wouldn't go through the sock filter.

    On these newer bikes I think it really pays to put in gas from a major gas station if at all possible. It might cost a few cents more but less issues. Doesn't help those on the road in less developed countries but if that's the case you are going to have to become a bit of a bike mechanic. I don't see any options.
  18. Fat Bear

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    Well said!

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  19. Sikorsky

    Sikorsky The Man.

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    I gotta say I am absolutely astounded. I have read on advrider for years of people stuck in Baja, in Columbia, Libya or Rwanda and who through the assistance on this website have been on their way in a matter of days. It seems your attitude has prevented that from happening.

    This whole chronic whine has been pathetic. Your bike had a problem. Get over it. Move on with your life.
  20. acejones

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    Actually the bike had more than one problem and at least three dealers, and KTM Canada were unable/unwilling to do anything about. So, fly that one around Sikorsky.
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