Keep seeing CA plated 450X's

Discussion in 'West – California, the desert southwest and whatev' started by Rick6, Jun 12, 2013.

  1. Rick6

    Rick6 Budweiser Enthusiast

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    What's the deal? I haven't had a chance to pull up next to someone in the parking lot and find out how they did it. Now of course we wouldn't break any laws, but there are too damn many out there to not be a simple way to get one plated.

    After piecing together research from the interwebs, it looks like the way to do this legally is to buy the bike in another state that has a plate on it. Make sure the CA legal goodies are attached (blinkers, left mirror, taillight etc. etc.) and bring the title to your DMV or AAA office(must be a member, obviously). Apparently they look at it like it's a "motorcycle" transfer, and not a "dirt bike" transfer because it currently has a plate. You must tell them the bike has over 8,000 miles on it and you walk out with a plate.

    I understand we run the risk of the plate being called back at any given time.

    If there is no legal way to do it, like I suggested, feel free to tell me it isn't that simple. I realize I haven't been active long enough here to get inside on any secrets, but I'd be more than willing to buy many beers for someone who does give me the scoop.
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  2. pcvance

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    It's illegal, buy a KTM.
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  3. Rick6

    Rick6 Budweiser Enthusiast

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    Fooey. I see them everywhere :lol3
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    You live in orange county, you should ride an orange bike, and besides, KTMs are much better bikes than Hondas and they're street legal.
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  5. Off Limits

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    I'll take the Honda any day. Good motors those x bikes have. :clap
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  6. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    First of all AAA doesn't do out of state transfers on bikes AFAIK. If you are moving your residence the 7500 mile requirement does not apply, if not it does. And a CHP or DMV inspection is required for VIN verification and a 50-state EPA sticker must be on the bike. This last item is a stickler for anything not specifically registered with CARB for hiway use (street plated) here in CA.
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    There are ways to get it done, if you look around you will see a lot of plates where they shouldn't be.
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    "good" motors you say? I've owned two CRF 450s and both needed a complete rebuild with less than half the hours/miles that my current 525 has now. The Hondas needed crank assembly, cylinder, piston, head/valves etc. at a cost of around $1500 parts and labor. The 525 KTM has over 300 hours and just under 7000 miles and is running like a champ. Consider that I had around 6k in the two 05' CRFs and maybe got 150 hours out of each, the KTM wins hands down in cost to operate per hour/mile. Add the fact that the EXC has a six speed gearbox and it becomes obvious that Orange from Austria is better than Red from Japan.
    The KTMs seem to be a whole lot easier to get plated too.

    Ok Rick, I gave you the scoop, now where is my beer?
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  9. Rick6

    Rick6 Budweiser Enthusiast

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    You've got me there, friend

    I know. This is a fact I want to ignore but sooner or later I'm probably going to realize that I need to up the budget a few grand and get a slightly used KTM.

    Answer me this. My friends tell me KTM's are no less reliable than any other dirt bike when maintained properly. Being I was into Evo's/STi's as a sprout, they compared it this way: KTM's are like Evo's, the Evo itself is not unreliable, it's the way people ride them that wears them out. I suspect that is accurate. For me, it means I am going to want to go a little newer ($7k for '09-10) to avoid the chances of getting that clapped out bike, as much as possible. I'm looking for the older guy that bought it new and took a few years to realize riding wasn't his thing. Those bikes aren't going for 5k in So Cal.

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    No you didn't, you just said "there are ways"
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  10. pcvance

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    yes there are ways, but it's not something I'd ever post here....:wink:

    Be smart, find a nice low hours used 450/525EXC WITH a plate, buy it.:deal

    you will be much happier.

    That's the scoop, I've earned my beer now.:lol3
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    Rick6 Budweiser Enthusiast

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    That's exactly as I figured. Guess I'll just have to ask some guy on a CRF as I'm passing him on my KTM.

    One twelve pack of Budweiser has been donated to my refrigerator in your honor :clap


    For everyone else, thanks for your input too! I'll be back with pictures
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    You will when you get a little older. You should come up to Portland and visit a few brew pubs. Once you start drinking good beer, you will forget about WRR's and Bud.:deal
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  13. Kap

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    Not my experience, my 06 top end was just rebuilt for $350. Crank is fine. Love my X motor.
    It's hard to compare my X to a KTM because the people we ride with on KTM's either can't keep up or quit half way through the ride.:lol3
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  14. Kap

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    If you bring an Arizona plated bike to Cali it must have an odometer that shows more than 7500 miles on it, you have to have the original emissions sticker on the rear fender with the engine vin number on it. Not just the noise emission sticker, there are two. Still your gonna need lots of luck and a moron that works at AAA.
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    I figured it would require a bit of persistence. It's difficult to interpret, because about 90% of people say exactly what you say, another 5% say "no way bro can't happen", and another 5% say it's easy, you just have to know the way. But those 5% are hush-hush. I guess they could also be lying/exaggerating.
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    Where do you see all of these honda's? At you your local repair shop would be my guess. Or on the side of road, kickstarting like a fool trying to get POS started. If you buy a honda u better think twice about bringing it where the temp will drop below 40 degree's.....because it will not start....$ pit valve train....
    Take PcVance's advice on the KTM....u can actually work on them...they're carbs. are not Vice locked into the stupidest frame design EVER!:evil
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    :lol3 I've seen about 5-6 in the last 2 months cruising on the street. If I lived anywhere but Orange County where people are mortified to talk to a stranger, I would have tried to get the answer.
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    lol!!!!
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  19. browneye

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    As usual, a lot of misinformation here. Unless Honda applied for and obtained a California Air Resources Board (CARB) certification for hiway use (on road) the bike cannot be legally plated in the state of California. PERIOD. Notice I said 'legally'.

    The exceptions come from people finding someone that will error in issuing a plate for one that is not legally plate-able. Sometimes when moving into this state and transferring the title from another state to CA, they just process them through. The VIN Verification form (required on out of state transfer) has a box to check for the existence of a CA emissions sticker, the verifier checks it, signs it, enters their badge number and phone number. Even legally plate-able bikes have had trouble getting a VIN verification if that sticker is missing. A 50-state bike will state such and there is usually wording for CA state as well.

    The CARB website lists all of the applications and certifications for on-hiway approved motorcycles - check it out if you don't believe me. KTM EXC's starting in 2007 has them for the 450/525 series. I had a 250 and the certifcation for greensticker is easy to find. There isn't one for on hiway. It costs the manufacturer/importer aproximately $35K PER MODEL to apply for these certifications. A good example of a screw up is BMW with their G450X - they neglected to apply for and get their CARB certification when the bike was introduced so they couldn't sell it in the hottest bike market in the world. Major screw up. The next year they got it, but the bike's reputation had already caught up with it (it's a POS) and by then no one would buy them unless they were deeply discounted. So they just chucked it in and gave the whole kit and kaboodle to husky to build the TE449/511 series. The G450X became an instant white elephant. The only honda dualsports that are legal are the 'L' models and the new CRF250.

    I went so far as to create an emissions sticker for my 250, using the same format as it's bigger brothers. You couldn't tell it was a forgery, I'm pretty good with Illustrator. I know it would have passed inspection. And I got a lighting verification affidavit, and could have easily got a plate for it. The problem is the forged emmission sticker, if caught, is a felony. It wasn't worth going to jail for a license plate for a dirtbike. Not at my age, not with my dependents and responsibilities.

    So the comments that 'there are lots of them that get thru' comes from the fact that lots of guys have gotten them, but there are many more that didn't and couldn't. They have it just as bad in WA state and they even went back and pulled thousands of them dealers put on when they weren't supposed to. Imagine how all those guys feel. WA is just as much of a nanny state as CA. Go read in their regionals about their plating headaches.

    So yes, you can try to plate a 450X and you might very well get one. But you might visit a dozen DMV offices and get turned down as well. There used to be a few dealers that would get anything plated with your existing CA Title for a fee, usually $500, but all those guys have been busted already. Hence the advice to just get a KTM or a Husky and be done with it. Or a FE570, or seems to me a model or two of the Beta's can be plated. Or buy one with a CA plate already on it - that's how I got my WR250F with a plate. The original owner moved to Louisiana, plated it there, and when he brought it back to CA some DVM idiot transferred it. DMV has two files on that bike, one for offroad (it was a red-sticker in '04) and one for the hiway plate. That license plate is worth about a grand.
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    You can plate a shriner's go-cart in NV
    and ride it in CA
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