Keep seeing CA plated 450X's

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  1. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Let's have a little history lesson here about Honda vs. KTM. :D

    I'll open with the first real racing Honda, then moving on to the real creative genius in the offroad motorcycle world - KTM.

    In 1973 Honda finally introduced what has been said to be a game-changer in the motocross arena. The year before they had nothing. Oh, the XL series, air-cooled 4-strokes with basically zero suspension.
    1973 CR series, the 125 and 250 Elsinore:

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    In the earlier years Honda had nothing to compete with in enduros, trials, anything that was 'offroad' racing in the day. Pretty much no one else did either, Husqvarna was building a few bikes back in this time period. Most bikes up to this point were road bikes converted for enduro use, harley's, Triumphs, Indians, anything with a set of knobbies and a hopped up motor.

    Along came John Penton, about 1966-67, he and his brothers had been competing in the Jackpine enduro in Michigan, other enduro type events in Ohio. You all have heard of Pickering Ohio, right? John went to a world motorcycle event in europe, looking for a factory to build a lightweight enduro competition motorcycle. He met reps from an Austrian bicycle and scooter manufacturer by the name of KTM. He struck a deal with them to build 3 prototype offroad type bikes. 6 months later he recieved his prototypes.

    By 1974 there was a Jackpiner 175 with a KTM motor, and they were still building the International Six Days Trials 125 with a Sach's motor. Sach's is a manufacturing giant in Germany that still makes all kinds of motorcycle parts.

    1973 ISDT 125. I bought a brand new one that year from Lynnwood Suzuki in WA state. I put a license plate on it (was easy back then), a headlight (I think it was even a square shaped light), a bicyle horn, and I rode it to school during the week and trails on the weekends. The term 'dualsport' had not even been invented yet. Later I had a stripped down version that we cobbled a reed-valve block onto with a custom 'expansion chamber' and raced it in Gold Bar on a motocross track and did surprisingly well against the new Honda Elsinores. It was a 'trailbike' and enduro racer at heart though.

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    On a side note, I did a quick google search for images of old bikes, first the honda, then the penton. My resored Penton came up second in my search. I've posted this image elsewhere on the internet and now it's forever indexed by Google.

    Although this is a restored version, I had several of the originals, 'back in the day'. Notice the high pipe, larger tank, compared to the Elsinore. The Honda was a 'track bike', the Pentons were enduros.

    After a decade of success of the Penton cycles, John Penton struck a deal to sell the import rights back to KTM. In 1978 KTM brought their first motorcycles to the US with their name on them. I restored a1978 MC5 400, the year before it came to the states as a Penton Mint 400. This was the culmination of develpment of the original 100cc Pentons. Only now it had a 400cc KTM motor. Here is a sister-bike, a 1978 KTM 250. No, they have not always been orange. And Hondas have not always been red. :evil

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    My restored 1978 KTM MC5 400. Sold it a few years ago to a competitor in AHRMA racing.

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    So yeah, there are a LOT of 'hardcore' KTM guys. There's a reason they are now the largest producer of offroad motorcycles in the world. They've had their issues, but they're still breaking new ground in technology and design development. While honda and the other Japanese manufacturers have had a few design breakthroughs of their own, the big-4 have mostly spent their history copying the engineering feats of the european brands.

    Look into the history of Husqvarna - another company that has left their mark on the offroad motorcycle world. Funny, Husaberg was formed by some of the original engineers from Husky when Cagiva bought them. Some years later KTM bought Husaberg for their racing 4-stroke technology, and whitepower suspension. So in essence the KTM 4-strokes are decendents of Husqvarna. How interesting is it that the CEO of KTM along with his Indian backers now own the Husqvarna brand again - full circle. Expect great things in the future from this company.

    Oh, and KTM still uses the EXC moniker for their offroad models - Enduro Cross Country. How appropo.

    Hope you enjoyed our little history lesson today. :freaky
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  2. pcvance

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    Thanks for the history lesson Chris, you are a hardcore
    [​IMG]guy, Kraftfahrzeuge Trunkenpolz Mattighofen!

    A little more history, the company was founded in 1934 as a metal working shop. In 1954 they began producing motorcycles.
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    KTM is most commonly known for its off road motorcycles though in recent years it has expanded into street motorcycle production.
    The company was founded in 1934 by engineer Hans Trunkenpolz <SUP id=cite_ref-ktm.com_Company_History_1-1 class=reference sizset="false" sizcache020896487494328753="44 122 58" jQuery1830664858274778822="52">[1]</SUP> in Mattighofen. It started out as a metalworking shop and was named Kraftfahrzeug Trunkenpolz Mattighofen. In 1937, it started repairing and selling DKW motorcycles, and Opel the following year.
    After the Second World War, Trunkenpolz started thinking about producing its own motorcycles, a first prototype was finished in 1953. Serial production started in 1954, almost all of the components being produced in house, with the notable exception of engines, made most often by company Rotax. With just 20 employees, motorcycles were built at the rate of three per day.
    In 1955, a businessman Ernst Kronreif became shareholder of the company, on acquiring a sizable portion of the company. It was then renamed Kronreif & Trunkenpolz Mattighofen.
    KTM's first moped, called Mecky was launched in 1957, followed by Ponny I in 1960 and Ponny II in 1962, and the decade saw the beginning of the bicycle production. Beside, KTM was also able to produced motorcycles for the racing industry.
    Kronreif died in 1960 and Trunkenpolz two years later, of a heart attack. Company name was changed back to Krafträder Trunkenpolz Mattighofen with his son Erich taking managing the company until his death (1989).<SUP id=cite_ref-Dirt_Rider_July_2002_4-0 class=reference sizset="false" sizcache03356490976794031="44 122 66" jQuery18307745066194813457="55">[4]</SUP> At that time, KTM had about 180 employee and a turnover that would represent &#8364;3,5 Millions.
    In 1978, US subsidiary KTM North America Inc. was founded in Lorain, Ohio. International business amounted then to 72% of the company turnover.
    In 1980, it was renamed KTM Motor-Fahrzeugbau KG
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  3. ballisticexchris

    ballisticexchris Long timer

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    Those are some sweet bikes!
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  4. pcvance

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    Now that the OP bought a 450EXC, no need to talk anymore about the 450X, right? Besides, the 450EXC IS a better bike, here's an 06' I just picked up with only 1100 miles/64.3 hours and current green sticker. The California DMV gave me the ok to make it street legal and issue a plate.:deal

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    here it is the day I picked it up, with a brand new Rear tire:thumb
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    only 64.3/1114 miles...
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    California plated low time/miles 450EXC for under $3200 :freaky
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  5. larryboy

    larryboy Chopper Rider

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    Oh noes, it's after the 2004 cut off date and it's illegal....the sky is falling.

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  6. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    That's just sick Perry.

    Bigtodd got one too - low time 525 with a freshened motor and a plate. Already sprung for a big boy too.

    There are deals out there people, you just have to be ready to pounce.

    There are also some pre- '04 bikes that got plates under the old rule. All manner of models, even some 2-strokes. I rode a plated GasGas for several years, it was a '97.

    This is probly at least 10 years ago, taken up on Sherman Pass Jeep Trail, Kennedy Meadows.

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  7. Jeff aka BOLT

    Jeff aka BOLT Prefer Saturdays

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    Well he doesn't have a plate yet... and having a friend at the DMV is where the confidence is coming from. :evil

    It's the definition of LEGAL that gets debated. There is always a way. But walking out of the DMV with a plate defines success... not legality.
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  8. pcvance

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    What cutoff date? The DMV goes by the vin number, not the year model.
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  9. mr. thumbs

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    So would a 04 be plateable?
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  10. pcvance

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    Yes it would, IF the 8th digit in the vin# is NOT a C or a 3. BUY THAT 04'!:deal
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    here's my 04' with a plate.:D it used to be sooo nice before two and a half years of abuse.:lol3
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    in the mud....
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    or the snow....
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    or in a ditch, the 525 always comes through.
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  11. mr. thumbs

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    I just might have to. I like my TE310 but I need to love my bike. I loved my 200mxc with the Rekluse. It was the best bike for KM and the like. Fell short in the open desert but still hauled the mail.

    For Sale
    09 Husky TE310
    Big tank and stock tank
    Up-tite exhaust
    Up-tite skid plate and exhaust guard
    Seat concept seat :D
    new battery - lithium
    upgraded powerband
    new flux capacitor
    3500 miles
    $3000 :deal
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  12. pcvance

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    Yeah, I'm thinking of a 300 with a Nevada plate....I'd like to own!:deal
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  13. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    The 'powerband'...is that like a rubber band for your motor? Does it make it spin faster?
    And the capacitor...for time travel?

    :rofl

    If I had an extra three grand lying around I'd take it off your hands. The newer ones are even better. Is that a red-head one?


    On the '04 450/525EXC - not legally plate-able. Yeah, if you know someone at DMV that will perjure themselves you might get a plate, or if you get a dumb one and they do it by mistake. It does not have a federal EPA sticker.

    CARB/DMV cut off all plating of non-road motorcycles as of the '04 year and model. 2007 was the first year that CARB issued a certification for hiway on the EXC's, and ONLY for the 450/525EXC - not MXC, not any other models, not the 250 either.
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  14. SloCalSpode

    SloCalSpode Been here awhile

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    Funny thing, and I hate to piss in anyone's coolaid, but that KDX on the
    right side of your picture now has a street plate. :eek1
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    It's all good Chris, just had to toss in my 2 cents. :freaky
    Jeff
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    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Hey Jeffery - my KM buddy!!

    Is that the same KDX as in my photo from 10 years ago? Is that the one that I painted the frame for your resto?

    You remember that ride, don't you? We had someone along that was a doddler and I got tired of waiting and rode back to camp on the road. :lol3
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  16. Rob578

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    I have a Husky WR300 with a VA registration good until 2015. On Sunday the nice ladies at Carnegie told me all I needed to do was to buy the $30 out of state visitors OHV sticker and I could ride it. Of course I'm keeping my VA DL as long as I still own property there. Not really applicable to the OP but still an interesting way to ride a red sticker bike in the summer.
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  17. larryboy

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    Yeah, I know, but the internet myth says that they stopped allowing bikes without a plate to get one after some mythical date in 2004. It's been spread in this thread already.
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    I guess we shall see when I go back in for the plate. I was told by DMV that they go by the vin#, no C or 3 your good to go. 8th digit. Now That I've invested $450 In the BD light kit and the time to install it, I sure hope it goes through.
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    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Let us know how it goes Perry.

    For a 2004 the C or 3 just means it's green sticker or red sticker. Does not grant it hiway usage. You may get a dumb clerk that will do it, but don't be surprised if they turn you down. The answer you got could very well have been referring to later models that are CARB certified for hiway licensure.

    KTM does not state on their MSO (manufacturers statement of origin) that the bike is 'offroad use only' or 'competition use only' so that helps. But those were not hiway bikes and on a new title application they are required to do a vin check, specifically looking for a 50-state EPA sticker saying it conforms to federal hiway standards. The inspector will ask you where this sticker is. They have to sign the VIN Check form that it has it on there, enter their badge number and contact phone number. This is what confuses some (Larry) on "going by the VIN." The VIN has a year of manufacture coded into it, and 2004 KTM EXC's are not CARB legal for hiway use. And yes, the cutoff was 2004 for getting non-hiway motorcycles plated. It also happened that there were no newer bikes that year (2004) so that's where the year cutoff moniker comes from.

    You will also need a lighting inspection certificate and sign an affidavit that the bike meets hiway regs for safety equipment. However they do not check for this equipment, you sign that it has it. Some bike shops can provide this for you - I got one done without them even looking at it for $50.

    Good luck! Kali-Jerry got his, maybe you will too.
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  20. pcvance

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    Haha yeah, and Jerry's is an XCW.
    My local Yamaha dealer is doing the Vin check and light cert., they do alot conversions on new(WR450) and used dual sports. They have a plated 450X for sale now. I should have this done by the end of this week. I'll post up after my trip to DMV.
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