Killboy failure Dragon Fest

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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    I am going to be a bit more generous in this instance. For riding a none sport bike he was doing a nice job of body position. Not hanging off but clearly getting his butt and torso over and for the most part his shoulders as well. Some earlier shots showed him nicely to the inside of the center line of the bike with upper arm extended and inside arm tucked.. In those series of curves they were becoming more like sweepers and the pace was increasing. I think he simply pushed too hard, ran out of ground clearance was on that arc of, things are scrapping and I can't turn more and that arc carried him off the road.

    Corrections could have been done before the commitment to that line in the curve. Perhaps revs high enough that a simple roll off would have better controlled speed at entry and allow corrections easy enogh Once there perhaps he might have really hung off to get more turn effect without more lean, maybe also a bit of throttle to raise front a bit to gain a bit more lean, but once he was really at that late point in the trajectory I think he really didn't have many choices. If a bit earlier perhaps rolling off the throttle would have caused lost of clearance but if done early enough he would have scrubbed off enough speed to make his arc a decreasing one and maybe stay inside the white line.

    To his fail
    Just a little bit earlier as the pace was increasing I noticed he was running a bit wider on exits than he had when things were a bit slower. In this turn not a bad set up line but seems like ran wide of a normal line about the entire time with an apex in his arc a bit early even if he never came down close to the DYL. The guide rail here was perhaps a bit friendlier than a grill of a Buick had it been a right hander.

    OK.. feet up here, glass of water on desk, leaning back.. my Thursday look back at someone else's fail. What did I learn?

    Ride the pace I can ride, follow my lines, look through curve, better to late apex than early. Plan to exit mid lane to give myself some leeway. If I have been failing on those things, my pace is over the abilities I bring to bear.

    NCS
  2. Truckin_Thumper

    Truckin_Thumper low profile

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    he was all crossed up in every turn. He did do a decent job compensating for it.

    I really think he hit some slick shit, topped with beginner riding position, and pushing a POS too hard for his skill level.

    Conclusion:

    FAIL!

    :deal
  3. duck

    duck Banned

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    Not always. The last time I rode through there (2009) I didn't even notice Killboy and didn't realize they'd taken a pic until I got home and looked it up. (And my pic probably came out better because if it.:evil)
  4. Wout67

    Wout67 Long timer

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    +1

    The first thing I thought was a 10+ minute video for THAT?

    It looked to me like he was going too fast through the turn trying to keep up with the bikes in front.

    Plus, he had poor lines, as did the camera man.
  5. PT Rider

    PT Rider Been here awhile

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    Yeah, maybe he was looking at the orange barrels instead of looking ahead at his necessary line. He starts to straighten before the turn ends. He just quits turning. He could have made it if he'd just continued turning.
  6. genespleen

    genespleen Been here awhile

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    Good read on this; well-said.
  7. Barry

    Barry Just Beastly

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    Appears he did not want to lean the bike OR ran out of room to lean further. Also appears an early apex to a shallow but decreasing radius turn caught him out. That's what I saw, but I only watched it twice, and I'm sleepy.

    Barry
  8. Sumo64c

    Sumo64c Been here awhile

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    Ok, dual car tires on this thing riding the dragon? This guy must be loaded with accidental/disability/life insurance.:huh










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  9. NYTrainer

    NYTrainer Been here awhile

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    My humble guess is that the rider looked at the orange barrels & was distracted just long enough so he did not lean over in time...
  10. gpounce

    gpounce Been here awhile

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    also he's a pretty slow turner and tends to early apex to the inside, probably freezing on the bars a bit too. +1 for trying to shift weight but his upper body tends to be crossed up. agree with the "over his head" crowd- turn was too sharp for his technique & speed, maybe he chopped throttle & or braked when the fear came on & made it worse. variations of that have only happened to me like a million times....
  11. LWRider

    LWRider Been here awhile

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    I'm no expert, but it looked like the guy never started his turn from the far outside. In these situations I like to use all the lane available to me. It looks like this guy always starts his turn from the middle of the lane.

    Cheers,

    Mike
  12. Downs

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    I've noticed the Photogs out here tend to try to hide. One guy was setup under a guardrail. I would have never saw him but saw the camera moving tracking me as I leaned into the corner.
  13. gpounce

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    outside, middle or inside are all lane positioning, but each needs its own sufficient steer rate and lean to make the corner. The consequences of throttle and brake vary as well. Middle is fine as long as the steer rate and lean put him on his selected line, but our guy didn't show many signs of selecting lines & turn points. Using all the lane decreases the steer rate demand at a given speed since the turn can be made more leisurely, but if done because steering faster or going deeper into the corner is scary then there is no headroom left if the corner tightens for whatever reason and then the freezing on bars and hitting brakes reactions are upon you.
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  15. gremor

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    :photog

    You owe me a keyboard!
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  17. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Love those blue pipes

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  18. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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    agreed.. a very very dark one... with a matched set.
  19. BerserkerBlue

    BerserkerBlue n00b

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    Nope they're Shinko 240s. They get great mileage around home on the straight , boring, graph-paper roads I normally ride on, but on the dragon they were sketchy as hell. Handle for crap once you get any decent lean angle on them. Plus the old-style tread pattern has no traction at all in mud or snow. After I wear out this set I'm going back to something else.
  20. BerserkerBlue

    BerserkerBlue n00b

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    Here's a link to the tires.

    http://www.jpcycles.com/product/217...g&matchtype=&gclid=CIuL-snq6LYCFfE7Mgod1iMAIQ


    Also the wood you see on the footpeg was just an extension I made out of a piece of firewood to get me home. The original aluminum ones were pieces of junk, and the steel ones I made out of a pair of bmx pegs were narrow enough that it killed my knees getting around the 6-gallon tanks and onto those narrow pegs, so I improvised. Nobody likes sore knees on a kick-only bike. :D