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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. kneeslider

    kneeslider Long timer

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    reserved for Harleys!:rofl
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  3. kbroderick

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    I wouldn't count on any of the current "designed-for-the-car" harnesses to work.

    http://centerforpetsafety.org/research/

    Having looked at some of them in the store, I'd put more faith in a Ruffwear harness, which my friend's dog Luna endorses as a reasonable solution in a hack. She is usually unrestrained in the car, though, which I'd say is fairly reasonable based on the crash testing linked above—there's really no good way to attach the Ruffwear harness to the car, and in the hack, it's more of a "keep-her-from-getting-distracted-by-a-bird-or-a-squirrel" tool than intended as a crash restraint.

    Personally, I think it's all about deciding what risk is reasonable given the benefit. I know that riding a motorcycle is inherently more dangerous than driving a car, and skiing is also inherently dangerous. I'll be damned if I have any intention of stopping either activity, given any say in the matter.

    With respect to pets and children, they obviously can't make the decisions themselves, either in accepting risk or in choosing mitigating actions such as protective gear or crash restraints, so the adults who are responsible have to weigh the risks and benefits. I'm pretty confident that, even if Luna could understand the risk of being in a car, she'd still choose to get in every time she had the choice between coming along and staying home.

    On a related note, a dog standing up in the sidecar shortly before hitting a bump on a tight right-hand corner can result in flying the car, but that was an AppGap fail, not a Tail of the Dragon fail, and I don't have any photos. Fortunately, everyone made it home in one piece.
  4. DAKEZ

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    My point is: Keep your overbearing laws off my person, Off MY kids and off MY pets.
  5. ShardPhoenix

    ShardPhoenix Наглый ублюдок

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  7. Bar None

    Bar None Candy Ass

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    DAKEZ,
    Please tell me that you are kidding.
    Society needs to protect those that cannot protect themselves.
    I don't consider it an overbearing law to protect children from their ignorant parents.
  8. astrolump

    astrolump Been here awhile

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    sheesh...
    everyone and everything dies, no one is special. there are nearly 7 billion of us. we kill and eat millions of animals a week..and i for one find them delicious...and somebody is gonna get bent about a dog on a motorcycle.
    you know how the human race is going to end....soon everyone will be a woman.
  9. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    Most countries that I have lived in actually require that the pet be restrained in a vehicle. It prevents two things. First, it stops idiots from being idiots and driving around with Fido in their lap. Second, it stops the dog from becoming a projectile that kills passengers in a high speed accident.

    Of course, the same could happen with your groceries. I once spent 20 minutes on the side of a highway in Belgium getting lectured by a police officer about the deadly nature of the 20 racks of beer in my wagon...you know....should they go flying when I slam on the brakes. I assured him that I would never do anything to endanger my Trappistes Rochefort, but he didn't believe me.

    Sent from the voices in my head and transcribed by their drinking buddy...
  10. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    Amen to that. #1 Hack Monkey did this once. It scared him more than it did me, and he's never done it again. Weight shift of any sort in the hack can cause serious problems for the pilot. Most people don't realize how sensitive these rigs really are.


    Sent from the voices in my head and transcribed by their drinking buddy...
  11. Mark_O

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    When I was growing up we didn't wear seatbelts, bicycle helmets, and didn't have nerf playgrounds. We learned that stupid hurts at a young age. How did we survive without the nanny state?
  12. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Bitch called me a feminist.

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    When I was a kid you probably would have gotten beaten up for showing up with a helmet.
  13. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    So let me get this straight....:D

    The same person that started this thread about taking responsibility for your own safety....
    Doesn't choose to extend this right to those who either don't have a voice, or those too young to make the decision for themselves.:norton

    Dakez read the parts below that you wrote and I highlighted in red.

    The problem is.... since some don't have the intelligence, maturity or awareness to responsibly protect their own lives, how can they possibly make a life/death/risk decision for someone else?

    5. It’s Always Your Fault, No Matter What
    Here’s the thing about riding a bike: you’re taking your life into your own hands. There’s no steel safety cage, no airbags, no crumple zone, its just you and your wits against the world. If you ask me, that’s what makes riding so great, but it also means you need to make a fundamental shift in your thinking. It doesn’t matter what it says on the police report or the insurance papers or that the teenage chick was texting her boyfriend when she hit you; all that matters is she hit you. And you could have prevented it, you needed to, it’s your life, not hers.

    So go out there and actively take your own life into your own hands. No excuses.
  14. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    By the way...

    Dakez, To a great extent, I agree with you.
    I'm not in favour of a nanny state and don't want the gov't intruding into my bedroom.

    But by the same token, I know that many people can't take responsibility for themselves and if we don't speak up for those upon whom they may have a direct effect, who will? And how responsible are we for not doing so?
  15. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Let Darwin work.


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  16. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    Sounds good. Sounds tough. Some people even think it sounds intelligent..
  17. wb57

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    Who gets to decide who can speak for themselves and who can't? Who is this group of "we" that I'm being assigned to?
  18. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    Who said you were being "assigned" to the we group?
    :D


    Back to the pictures boys.
    Much easier to point out the "fail..."
  19. wb57

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    Point taken. Probably important to get as many layers of obfuscation in there as possible. Wouldn't want any responsibility to be accepted for anything anywhere. :deal :evil
  20. Red9

    Red9 Been here awhile

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    Sorry.
    I just find it ironic that a citizen of a democratic republic with a constitution that begins with "We the People" would need to ask "Who is this group of "we" that I'm being assigned to?":huh