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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.
Taken by me.
Near the Gap, day before yesterday.
He could save some money and take the MSF Basic Rider's Course too.
What do they say?
Im not all that fast but have ridden with very fast on a racetrack .I didnt see any of those fast guys trying to slide or "back it in".
I cant think of any good reason to ever get a tire sliding on pavement .There are faster ways to get around a curve.
Before some one points to a guy like Gary McCoy the" slide king" just let me say that guy was not human .Maybe put there to sell tickets and create attention.
True, there are exceptions. King Kenny Roberts winning the 1978 World Championship.
He blew everyone away with his dirt track style and knee dragging he saw The Flying Finn first use.
I think it's called show boating, like cars drifting for the sake of it. To be done with intent while racing it has purpose but other wise none.
That hits the nail: theatrics. I suspect that a lot of these Squids got inspiration to ride from movies where there is a lot of stunt riding for the camera.
Makin's here for a new reality TV series: Dancing with the Squids...
You never watched Miguel Duhamel race did you?
What instructors say, for people new to the track, is to get your braking, all your braking done, but the time you hit " turn in", roll to the "apex" and then get on the gas as you lift the bike, from apex to "exit".
BUT...that is only for beginners, before they are more advanced and can learn "trail braking" That is getting a percentage of your braking done by turn in, but still be be braking a bit, from turn in to apex....."trailing off the brake" as you get to the apex, and then same as before, on gas, and lifting bike up from apex to exit and out of turn.
Trail braking is faster way around track and a more advanced technique/skill.
You might be assuming the guy in pic is a beginner and not a more advanced rider. People at every skill level crash...just sayin'.
You just never know what you will see (Dragon Slayer)?
Can you help me reconcile this with twist of the wrist II?
The concept is that the rear tire can handle more weight in the cornering load than the front due to the wider contact patch. So then I would surmise that if you're able to have more weight on the front than the rear by braking into the corner, that you aren't really going as fast as you could be.
Thanks for your(or anyone else's) edification on this.
I am so old, I watched his father race too.
I think you need to pull up some Moto GP or WSB videos on youtube, lots of sliding going on with "fast" guys.
purposely sliding ?
I know the motard guys like to slide on a short track .
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more than that,puposely sliding the back wheel esp the moto 2 guys,although the top few guys in motogp do it to,When they "back it in" they are braking on the limit and the back slides out a bit adding to the actual turn in with the bars( i am not going to say which way they turn the bars)
You haven't seen some of the slow motion clips of MotoGP, especially a certain Mr. Stoner, sliding the rear and at times sliding the front? Lap after lap. If it wasn't the fastest way around the circuit I doubt that the fast guys would be doing it
I miss those 2 stroke 500cc days. Traction control takes some of the thrill out of watching Moto GP.
Quite a few years ago RRW did temperature tests on rear tires
and found sliding the tire generated less heat than not sliding the tire.
Lap times were pretty close iirc.