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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.
Knee down is not anywhere near the point of no return... if you know what the fuck you are doing.
Bingo. No one has ANY argument against this. It is impossible. There are laws on the street such as speed limits and reckless driving. There are accidents all the time, all over the world and it is only because someone is doing something they are not supposed to be doing. And one of those things is dragging a knee.
Sure, you can do it and go to bed with a smile on your face with the thought of that great ride, but it don't always work out that way.
Everyone's skill level is different, one persons 80% may be someone elses 120%. Just saying... the key is staing within your own limits, and the limits of the road and conditions and ride smooth. Me, I try to ride to my 80% when road and conditions allow, leaves a good bit of buffer. Im faster than most, slower than many. FWIW I dont drag my knee, havent in a long time. I dont see the need personally, especially on the Strom. I hang off on the Hawk, but keep my knee tucked a little.
You yourself have condoned breaking the posted speed limit. Knee down is not a good indicator of how fast someone is riding or how hard they are pushing.
She looks good in form in more than one way. Much preferable to those cows on the back of "hogs", "doing the Dragon".
I'd hit it ..
There's a lot I like in this picture. First, he's riding an old tech Katana 600 or 750 yet appears to be riding a lot better than many riders I often see on much newer, more expensive, and "faster" bikes.
Second, he's got his priorities straight. He may not be on the greatest bike but both he and his passenger have proper riding gear. I'd bet that their riding gear is worth more than the bike
As for the knee down thing, he does not appear to be near his bikes limit, there is still plenty of lean angle left.
The only failure I see here is that I wasn't out there riding with them
What's with the one-finger clutch?
He was so excited, he used the wrong one for the killboy photographer
He's pointing out the apex to his passenger.
And her boots! We've called fail on other photos on this thread for hiking boots instead of riding boots!
How many times have you dragged knee's? Cause knee down still has plenty of stop, go and turn left. Let them get elbow down and you can start bitching about the point of no return.
Mine for what it's worth. We hit it about 7:45 am and didn't expect to see US129 or Killboy but Killboy was up and running.
Terrible photo. I can't find a single fail
not a ADV bike, but then again I just got my KLR and joined here, and since we're sharing dragon pics...
here's the ZRX...
and then getting pwnd by a harley...:huh
That bike doesn't look like it is at its cornering limit.
Most of the riders pictured in this thread running wide and off the road, or running into the opposite lane at corner exit when somebody else is coming, are on cruisers that are leaning a lot less. And many (not all) of their accidents were from not leaning enough.
I don't have any gripe about the bike in the picture.
I believe his pants are just a little too long.
Probably not the right forum here, but I'll bring it up because this question has been nagging me.
I rode bicycles long before I touched a motorcycle. Ultralight road bicycles stop a lot faster than the rider on top of them. It takes very little pressure on the brakes to fully engage them. One finger will lock them if you aren't careful. At high speeds, I would often find myself reaching out with just my pinky to pull the brakes a little to slow down. Never, and I mean never, did I need more than a finger to get full stopping power, and never did my brake handles need to be pulled all the way back to the handlebars to be fully engaged.
Fast forward, and I'm learning to ride a motorcycle. I adopted the same mentality. None of the motorcycles I've owned in thirteen years or riding have ever needed more than a slight tug to engage the clutch or front brake, and none have ever had to be pulled back to the bars to be engaged. I finally took an MSF class and the instructors corrected me for this. I've now taken several more MSF classes, and all the instructors say the same, all four fingers should cover the handles. None, and I mean none, have ever been able to give me a reason why.
When I'm on my sidecar rigs, I'm constantly throwing my body off the tug to counterbalance the weight of the sidecar. Sometimes you need a little more grip on the bars to put yourself back in position, but still need to maintain some control of the clutch for an emergency scenario. The one finger approach works great.
On my hardtails and my cafe racer, keeping all four off the controls works just fine. I've never pinched a finger, had trouble engaging a brake or clutch, etc.
So, what is the importance of having all four fingers on the controls?
four fingers (as I was told by an MSF instructor) is in case you drop it, the lever won't pinch your fingers. Makes some sense, I suppose. That said, I came from bikes with pedals, too... and I still only use one or two fingers on the clutch and brake too.
Good eye ...
I pinched my ring and pinkie finger once in a low speed dirt-drop, they were sore for a week or so. Then I got handguards and chopped down my clutch lever... I two-finger everything.
Most people can squeeze harder with four fingers vs. two.
Additionally, many riders use two fingers..but not the two you may be thinking of (the first two). Some folks use the ring and pinky finger to squeeze the brake lever. Encouraging these riders to use all four fingers gives them a chance at squeezing the brake lever hard enough to save their life.