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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.
Upon closer inspection I stand corrected.
Still asleep, I see....
You just repeated exactly what I said. And I understand hydraulic principles full well. I didn't get into that on purpose because some twatwaffle would start a discussion of hydraulics, and you managed to do it anyway.......
adjust your levers properly ("properly" for using one or two fingers at least) and this is not an issue.
the middle and ring fingers are the ones that have the most strength for pulling on things. (do some rock climbing, that becomes very evident.)
moreover, on many bikes you need very little strength to work the levers...it's much more about feel.
i'm not sure i really buy that, but...you want fine control over the levers. thus, using fingers that are designed for complex, fine actions is better.
it really is not about strength on many modern bikes. it really takes very, very little strength to lock up the front wheel or pull the clutch on my KTM. my DRZ does require more strength, but still not so much that most people would need more than two fingers to summon the required strength. but, yes, there are definitely some bikes where you need to use all your fingers to generated the required strength--on those bikes, you have no choice.
(also, you should avoid to the extent possible--no that it is entirely possible--using the handle bars to balance yourself on the bike. you should ideally be able to remove your hands from the bars and still be balanced.)
and i would argue the better way is the way that allows you to keep a couple fingers wrapped around the handle bar (and throttle) and that allows you to always have the fingers you use to operate the levers on the levers and in a position to immediately apply them.
you can provide different input to the levers, throttle, and bars at the same time more easily if you do not have all of your fingers on the levers and, instead, are still using 2 or 3 of them to control the bars and throttle.
others, of course, would argue otherwise. but, there is a reason most good dirt riders suggest doing it the way i have described...because when you really need balance, quick reactions, and fine control of all the bike's inputs simultaneously (i.e., when riding technical offroad), you get that stuff better by having a two or three fingers wrapped around the bars and 1 or 2 fingers on the levers.
and it translates to the street as well...where cars, potholes, etc. also sometimes create the need to react with fine control over all of the bikes inputs at the same time right now.
Jeebus, I don't use 2 or 4 fingers on my levers, I use 2 toes!
Who the fuck cares if other people use both hands on one lever or just their pinky when THEY ride. The whole 'ride your own ride' also applies to however you choose to work your controls for crap's sake.
Now then, why is this woman holding a baby Ewok?
all absolutely true.
but best practice on the street also requires being prepared to deal with the unexpected and that which is beyond your control. you might have no choice but to brake in a corner at some point. imho, that means doing it regularly, so it is "nothing" when you have to do it, is a good idea.
it's not about being faster or racing or anything. it's about being best prepared to survive in a world where the unexpected and things outside of your control do happen.
I see faint yellow way out in front of the bike and he is to the right of it. I also see white to the right of his bike, so that makes this a non fail event. NFE.
To crush underneath her ungloved palms if they lay 'er down?
na there good they got the jebus fish on there bags.
Am I the only one that brakes with the right 3 fingers? (pinky, ring, middle). It allows an easier transition from braking to accelerating.
Because an adult Ewok wouldn't fit between them?? Do I win?
My S1000RR doesn't have linked brakes. ABS yes.
I'm not sure what you're saying here, but, you can easily disable the ABS and it has always been an option on the S1000RR. The Canadian model wasn't available without ABS.
My old Honda CBR1000F required four fingers hauling on the brake to stop fast. My S1000RR is one or maybe two fingers to emergency brake with the ABS just fluttering on the edge of kicking in in Race mode. I can use four fingers but why bother?
I got around the only potential problem I saw (trapping the extra fingers on the clutch side) by replacing the stock levers with Pazzo shorties. The brake lever never gets close enough to the grip to worry about trapping fingers.
I find that much of what is taught at MSF needs to be taken with a grain of experience and common sense, such as lane position.
And... I have no pics of the Dragon.
Over the line:
You can't park that here:
What am I missing? The bicyclist is way over to the shoulder on the other side of the road. There's nothing in front of the rider that I can see.
Looking at his tire mark on the wet road,it looks like the rear end slid out. YES-NO?
Introducing the new La-Z-Boy on wheels!
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I don't think so. It looks more to me like the rider has absolutely no confidence in his tires on a wet surface. I would hate to see him on knobbies in the wet.
Look harder, it wasn't trolley tracks, it was an unintentional stoppie to avoid slamming in to the idiot running across traffic. If you watch it a couple times you can clearly see someone run directly in front of him from the right and keep on going out the left side. Kudos to the rider (and the brakes) for reacting that quickly even if did mean going all the way over the bars. Unfortunately the person that actually caused the accident probably just kept on going.
He was going to fast in that much traffic.
Look harder still... at about 0:15 or 0:16, if you look at the road along the left trolley rail, you can see some missing asphalt along the rail a couple of feet before where the bike landed. Likely a combination of two. When he reacted and got on the brakes HARD, his front tire also got trapped in this missing asphalt. If you look close at the video you can that his bike is pretty much lined up with that left trolley rail.
I wish I knew how to do a screen grab from youtube... I'd post it up.
Edit: Also visible near the orange shoe at around :051.