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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.
Yep, should have went with a manly bike, like the FZ6. We don't need no steenkin' FULL fairing.
How do you know definitively that this was not a chick?
Chaz Bono Perhaps?
I'm not really a high beam guy so that is odd. I wonder (and I totally understand what you are seeing), if it's some type of reflection bouncing back from my plastic guard? As bright as the low beam is, you'd think the high beam fixture would be fully filled with light. Either that or I just screwed up and hit my high beams.
Especially on two wheels!
Needs a man-siere or is that a bro?
Nice ride, decent gear ands he's haulin'...
I used to have a 350 Twin in the late 70's. Commute/city bike. Got stolen.
The sequence says it all.
1st Pic. I think I'd like to go off the road over there...
2nd : Yes, right there looks perfect. Nice & green, lush grass.
3rd.: The longer I stare at that grass, the more peaceful it seems!
4th: YES! Nice & soft...
5th: I think I'll just lay down here for awhile & relax.....
Target fixation: Oh yeah, it's real.
Didn't you see the # on the helmet, that is Rossi on Vacation!
He is test riding the new Yamaha, disguised like a Honda.
I've been asked "Why?" before by a student or two, and here's the reasons why we coach all fingers on the brake (Team Oregon, not MSF):
First is that while 1 or 2 fingers may do fine when performing regular braking, under hard braking the fingers not being used can get pinched under the brake lever, at best pinning the fingers, but at worst, preventing more front brake if more is needed.
The other reason is habit. If the rider only practices braking with two fingers, when it comes to an emergency, how many fingers are they going to use? They're either going to only use two like they've always practiced (which may not be enough strength or precise feel for proper maximum braking, or pin/pinch the other fingers), or they're going to reflexively grab with all their fingers, which they haven't practiced, and will have a tendency to over-brake.
It was slightly awkward when I coached one student to use all four fingers on the brake and he held up his right hand, squeezed two fingers of the glove to show they were empty and said "I lost two and a half fingers in an accident years ago." I replied, "Ok, just use all the fingers you have, then."
If you're riding a bike that requires 4 fingers to get maximum braking or has so much lever travel that it drops to the point where it pinches your fingers you need to service your brake system. With my calipers the widest part of my finger with race gauntlet gloves is 26mm...
If they're covering the front brake with 1 to 2 fingers how are they going to suddenly add another 2 fingers to it?
By not covering the brakes they are adding about 0.186 to there brake reaction time (http://www.promocycle.com/documentations/studies-eng/evalfrein_e.pdf) Meaning at 60 mph he's added 16ft to his stopping time (80mph = 21ft).
Why do almost all of the racers (off-road and street) brake with either 1 or 2 fingers (with a notable exception being Rossi) and many cover the lever full time.
On both bikes I currently ride, I can easily lock the front wheel with two fingers. I need the other two to operate the throttle to rev match during downshifts while braking for a corner. Brake application is almost instantaneous because the two fingers always rest on top of the brake lever.
Those CB350s are surprisingly good mountain road bikes. I have had the joy more than once to ride my '68 in the Blue Ridge and Smokies (but not on the Dragon--I hate crowds).
We have a variety of 125 - 250 cc training bikes, and do service them regularly. Some bikes (specifically Suzuki DR 250s) inherently have very spongy brakes that require a lot of force (ALL fingers) to stop quickly. Others only have a fraction of an inch between the lever and the handgrip under maximum braking, by design, with stock levers.
Edit: Actually, on top of that, are all motorcycle riders going to make sure their levers are adjusted so that they can brake hard with 2 fingers and not pinch/crush the rest? As I said, we are teaching to a common denominator. Use all 4 fingers for braking, all the time eliminates that problem for everybody.
Also consider who we are teaching - new, inexperienced riders. We coach them to cover their clutch at all times on the range (at least for the first day of training), and NOT to cover the brake at any time on the range - covering the brakes is mentioned in the classroom for hazardous situations on the street where they would want to reduce their reaction time, but we're not surprising them on the range, and the risk of accidentally or mistakenly applying front brake at the wrong time is a considerable safety issue.
The initial question was concerning what was taught in a basic riding class. Racing techniques usually are for more experienced riders.
I personally use all fingers for most braking, but sometimes just use two depending on what I'm doing (slow speed manuvers or blipping the throttle while braking & downshifting). Sometimes I even just use one brake or the other. :eek1
Nope, but his passenger sure looks surprised!
Sweet Jebus. Are you better at braking with four fingers or two? It matters more what the rider is good at and comfortable with than how many fucking fingers they use!
There are a shit ton of motorcycles out there, that even with factory spec/service brakes, you still need four fingers on the lever to get maximum braking from.
Right. New riders, so teaching a preferred technique that works on all bikes is better than teaching advanced skills.
Generally speaking it's much easier to "feel" the brakes with four fingers, even if it only takes one. I'm baffled why people are obsessed with finding the minimum number of fingers necessary on their bike.
I recently replaced the pads, fluid, and lines of the braking system on my ex500. Still have to squeeze HARD with all fingers for max braking. In normal riding I can get by and get stopped with two fingers. In town, I use all four, just in case.
I'm in love
Try finding a pad with a higher initial torque, increasing your rotor diameter or look at changing to a master cylinder with a different bore size.