Killboy failure Dragon Fest

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    On both bikes I currently ride, I can easily lock the front wheel with two fingers. I need the other two to operate the throttle to rev match during downshifts while braking for a corner. Brake application is almost instantaneous because the two fingers always rest on top of the brake lever.
  2. LWRider

    LWRider Been here awhile

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    Those CB350s are surprisingly good mountain road bikes. I have had the joy more than once to ride my '68 in the Blue Ridge and Smokies (but not on the Dragon--I hate crowds).

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  3. Orygunner

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    We have a variety of 125 - 250 cc training bikes, and do service them regularly. Some bikes (specifically Suzuki DR 250s) inherently have very spongy brakes that require a lot of force (ALL fingers) to stop quickly. Others only have a fraction of an inch between the lever and the handgrip under maximum braking, by design, with stock levers.

    Edit: Actually, on top of that, are all motorcycle riders going to make sure their levers are adjusted so that they can brake hard with 2 fingers and not pinch/crush the rest? As I said, we are teaching to a common denominator. Use all 4 fingers for braking, all the time eliminates that problem for everybody.

    Also consider who we are teaching - new, inexperienced riders. We coach them to cover their clutch at all times on the range (at least for the first day of training), and NOT to cover the brake at any time on the range - covering the brakes is mentioned in the classroom for hazardous situations on the street where they would want to reduce their reaction time, but we're not surprising them on the range, and the risk of accidentally or mistakenly applying front brake at the wrong time is a considerable safety issue.

    The initial question was concerning what was taught in a basic riding class. Racing techniques usually are for more experienced riders.

    I personally use all fingers for most braking, but sometimes just use two depending on what I'm doing (slow speed manuvers or blipping the throttle while braking & downshifting). Sometimes I even just use one brake or the other. :eek1

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  4. pilot815

    pilot815 Long timer

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    Nope, but his passenger sure looks surprised!
  5. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    Sweet Jebus. Are you better at braking with four fingers or two? It matters more what the rider is good at and comfortable with than how many fucking fingers they use! :baldy

    There are a shit ton of motorcycles out there, that even with factory spec/service brakes, you still need four fingers on the lever to get maximum braking from.
  6. tedder

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    Right. New riders, so teaching a preferred technique that works on all bikes is better than teaching advanced skills.

    Generally speaking it's much easier to "feel" the brakes with four fingers, even if it only takes one. I'm baffled why people are obsessed with finding the minimum number of fingers necessary on their bike.
  7. RxZ

    RxZ Legal Drug Dealer

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    :nod

    I recently replaced the pads, fluid, and lines of the braking system on my ex500. Still have to squeeze HARD with all fingers for max braking. In normal riding I can get by and get stopped with two fingers. In town, I use all four, just in case.
  8. livo

    livo Been here awhile

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  9. crofrog

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    Try finding a pad with a higher initial torque, increasing your rotor diameter or look at changing to a master cylinder with a different bore size.
  10. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Long timer

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    Having recently been taught "correct braking technique" after 30 years of riding one thing popped up to surprise me.

    Using only two fingers on the brake can create a situation where the throttle is still open a bit so your braking against the engine. Not good for N00bs. Proper lever adjustment & a closing fist technique allows full braking control or full throttle control but not both.
    Oh, here's the bus. I'm off.
  11. tedder

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    We have a large supply of bores here.
  12. dwoodward

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    New pads is easy.

    Larger rotors? Well, now we're making adapter brackets for the calipers, but OK.

    Larger bore master cylinder will get you less lever travel (so you don't have to pinch your fingers) at the expense of power (force multiplication)l- so you have to use all your fingers to get maximum braking.

    Smaller bore master cylinder gives you more power at the expense of pinching any fingers left on the bar.

    What was the goal again?
  13. Contevita

    Contevita Cigar Adventurer

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  14. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    All that and more. The cheaper bikes usually came with single pot calipers. I upgraded the KLR with a 300 mm rotor, four pot caliper, and new master cylinder. I refuse to own a bike with inferior brakes. Except for the Triumph, which is a correctly restored vintage machine, and it is ridden at events only.
  15. GSequoia

    GSequoia Where are my tools?

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    That's rather personal, don't you think?
  16. LittleRedToyota

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    it's not about finding the minimum necessary.

    using 1 or 2 fingers allows you to maintain better control over the handle bars and throttle at the same time you are braking. you can use all 3 controls (plus the clutch on the other side) with fine input at the same time.

    also, covering the brake with all the fingers you use to apply it allows you to apply it more quickly (as the fingers are already in place instead of having to reach for the lever). and covering the front brake level with 4 fingers all the time would sacrifice bar and throttle control.
  17. dbuzz

    dbuzz Citizen of the world

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    Because that is what all the 'cool' riders do because they saw someone they thought was 'cool' doing it. Then they have to justify it ... hence the hair splitting and finger counting. :roflIt's kind of like how one peice leathers automatically mean you are a great rider :D

    Monkey see, monkey do.
  18. ray h

    ray h Been here awhile

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    No problem, I'm just messing with you.
    I took all kinds of guff from a couple of inmates for riding with my highbeam on so I'm just spreading it around.
  19. Kingsized

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    It's all good. I never got my farkles in a tuff, ha!
  20. crofrog

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    Not to mention the first time your braking and the front starts to tuck with all four fingers on the brake is going to be awesome, as you try to reduce pressure on the brakes while pushing the bars back straight and and scaring the shit out of yourself...