Killboy failure Dragon Fest

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. crofrog

    crofrog Long timer

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    Does a bike stop differently because it's being ridden by racer? We aren't talking about trail braking, or threshold braking or an advanced skill set. If using 2 fingers on the brakes is considered advanced; I guess I've been doing advanced brake application since I started riding pedal bikes without coaster brakes when I was 5 or 8 or something like that... :rofl

    You don't put allot of faith in your students, and the end product shows.

    You don't always get to pick how quickly you need to stop

    Maybe because your "range" is a fucking parking lot! On top of the fact you're riding cruisers with shit controls.

    So if your basing your skill standards on what works in a parking lot safely on bikes with shitty brakes I really don't know what to say.
  2. genka

    genka SUV hater

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    And the real life (FF to 3:35)
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  3. Orygunner

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    No, I also use all four fingers on the street most of the time, and I don't feel any loss of control there, either.

    You really haven't made any solid argument why using less than 4 fingers on the brake a) should be taught to beginning students, b) reduces control on the street, or c) is somehow superior. Meanwhile, I've pointed out more than a few reasons why it makes sense to teach "all four fingers" to beginners.

    If you're going to insist that beginning riders should be taught to only use 1 or 2 fingers on the brake, perhaps you'd better find some better evidence for it than "racers do it" and the false idea that it somehow decreases control of the bike.

    Hey, here's a puzzler for you: If only using 2 fingers is "proper" braking, why don't all bikes come from the factory with just a 2-finger front brake lever? Why do they appear to be designed to accommodate all four fingers? :D

    ...Orygunner...
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    His pillion needs to gear up...she could get a tear!
  5. OaklandStrom

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    [QUOTEMaybe because your "range" is a fucking parking lot! On top of the fact you're riding cruisers with shit controls.

    So if your basing your skill standards on what works in a parking lot safely on bikes with shitty brakes I really don't know what to say.[/QUOTE]

    That is exactly what and where the MSF teaches.

    Nobody is listening anymore, especially the two of you.

    MSF isn't perfect (not even close) but it's what they teach. So, how about you end this fucking horse beating, or go get a job with them and change the curriculum? Bitching about it here won't do any good.
  6. Twin Torque

    Twin Torque Been here awhile

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    :*sip* oh sorry I was looking for the Killboy Failure Dragon Fest thread.................
  7. Mr_Gone

    Mr_Gone The Lejund!

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    I'm pretty sure the Killboy failure Dragon Fest is around here somewhere....
  8. PSYCHO II

    PSYCHO II Crusty Demon

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    Here it is... oh no got it wrong again. But at least there are bikes....
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  9. crofrog

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    Really? I didn't let's recap:
    You're sacrificing your grip on the bar, for whatever reason you might need a better hold of the bars, to work around either shitty brakes, or shitty teaching. In the event of a panic situation your body will automatically tighten the hand into a fist (ever seen how beginners are death gripping the bars) which in addition to degradation of fine motor skills will make braking accurately extremely hard, when the most accuracy is needed.

    On bikes with real brakes gripping with all four fingers and applying the brakes hard could easily create a front skid or endo (with good tires and pavement and a shortish wheel base).

    My opinion on what should be taught to new students is pretty simple with instructions something like this:

    "When it comes to how many fingers you want to use on the brakes use what you feel comfortable with. Take your bike out to a safe place and practice a few hard stops, if you find your fingers getting caught between the bar and the grips you might need to service your brakes or adjust your levers out. However some bikes and riders will just require more strength or travel in those cases you might need to use four fingers on the brakes. The most important part is you figure out what works for you and your bike."

    Boom, let the student choose instead of forcing dogma on them.

    Because a long lever gives people the ability to do what they want either way, and not all bikes do. My ktm 200exc and my friends 450exc came with what I'd call a 3 finger lever for the brakes.
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    Anyone leave a picture thread here anywhere?
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  11. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    I'm not quite sure WTF this thing is, but there's too many wheels, so fail

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  12. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

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    Has to be wild doing night time runs down the mountain with that thing. What happens when a deer steps out, or worse yet a bear? I'd hate to smack a bear and piss him off........... :rofl
  13. Mistress of the dual

    Mistress of the dual Some say....

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  14. Harvey Krumpet

    Harvey Krumpet Been here awhile

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    It appears to have been having a brake.

    But I just seen some piccies, so all good.:clap
  15. PSYCHO II

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    And don't forget the shitty advice (again the myth that if you use four fingers you're going to grab really hard) that can only lead to one thing.... "ABS... making bad riders look good"
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    If four fingers is so bad why is it also taught in intermediate and advanced course? Also holding on with the knees and not the arms is taught as well.
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    Bear.

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  17. RAGBrian

    RAGBrian jonesing for a ride

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    Dug through the blog's directory to get a differnet looky at this thang:

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    Seems to be a cult Big Wheel® downhill thing on the Dragon. :evil
  18. Al Goodwin

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    If the speed limit is posted, and he's not hiding behind something man-made,,,NOT a TRAP.

  19. thetable

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    If it's an artificially low speed limit, it IS a speed trap! The speed limit at the Gap was NOT set by a traffic survey. We're talking about a road with no intersecting roads, no driveways, no anything.
  20. crofrog

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    That looks fucking fun as shit, and a bit more stable than the normal big wheels