[QUOTEMaybe because your "range" is a fucking parking lot! On top of the fact you're riding cruisers with shit controls. So if your basing your skill standards on what works in a parking lot safely on bikes with shitty brakes I really don't know what to say.[/QUOTE] That is exactly what and where the MSF teaches. Nobody is listening anymore, especially the two of you. MSF isn't perfect (not even close) but it's what they teach. So, how about you end this fucking horse beating, or go get a job with them and change the curriculum? Bitching about it here won't do any good.