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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.
What no linky? Inquiring minds want to know more about it but are too lazy to search.
So seems like it's been set by the frequency of accidents. Yup, the more speed-related accidents the more the authorities want to lower the speed limit. And there are PLENTY of accidents resulting from people going faster than their skill level allows. As demonstrated on this thread. Since they can't administer road tests to everyone entering the area, instead they lower the speed limit.
Duck and go under. The deer at least.
Most of the accidents aren't due to excessive speed.
And people will speed no matter the posted speed limit.
Sean McMillan, the Marine that died last weekend on the KTM, went into a decreasing radius corner (that has claimed many bikes) a little too hot, got on the brakes hard with a bit too much rear, which made him step out and hit the dirt berm and then the rail. He went over, broke some branches way up in the trees, then fell about 70ft. Some SMJ friends helped put him in the ambulance.
The usual Harley low-sides aren't from excessive speed, as they'll scrub at a walking pace, but the spectacular ones are usually speed related...
Maybe, but I bet the speed is excessive for those that crash.
How would you propose to control the accident rate, if speed lowering is not an option?
Being left of center, having to slam on the brakes, leaning too far so that you lowside, braking too hard in a corner...
These are all caused by excessive speed. Too fast for the rider, the road, the bike, or conditions. It only takes one of those to get you.
Slowing down is a terrific way to stay alive and uninjured.
But lowering speed limits won't slow down the ones that speed anyway, but it may slow down the rolling roadblocks, so they'll just run up on them quicker...
The Dragon is a miracle of natural selection.
Some people are tested and found wanting.
Oh, I'm not talking about speed limits. Just the general need to slow down on that road.
I'm all for that!
I believe "speed trap" is..... traditionally (perhaps universally)..... understood to mean a cop..... excuse me..... a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER..... using a speed detection device (radar or lidar)..... to determine the miles per hour at which any given vehicle is traveling. Though there's usually an implication of "entrapment"..... meaning somehow the operator of the detection device lured the operator of any given vehicle into committing a criminal act (in this case exceeding the posted speed limit)..... as the word "trap" in itself has a definition of "something by which one is caught or stopped unawares"..... speed trap..... as far as language goes..... is a perfectly correct expression.
The only people whom ever seem to be offended by the term "speed trap" are cops..... forgive me again..... are LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. Rather than nitpicking over citizens' word choices..... maybe they should direct their vitriol at all the policemen who are so easily swayed by fluttering eyelashes?
Lazy is right!
Linky to the pics shown here: http://fiascofarm.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/bosb-08/
More about the Big Wheel® event and "race prep": http://fiascofarm.com/blog/2010/09/big-wheel-adventure-with-a-surprise-ending/
I got crappy wi-fi at this hotel I'm at, so slow-hard to search...but there's enuf there to get one started!
I am pretty sure this is the funniest thing I will see all day.
Adult sized Big Wheels..
You've been recapping for 4 pages (or more)! Stop. Just stop.
You don't agree! We get that. You aren't going to change his mind on the internet, and he definitely isn't going to change your mind.
Agree to disagree, take it to PM's, start your own topic, or move on with your life. Pick one or settle on using 3 fingers on the brake!
I like this big wheel:
So let's see - adventure riding is about pushing your own personal limits. The adventure starts when things go wrong. All that good stuff.
And yet if someone pushes their limit perhaps that one time or just has a momentary lapse of concentration on the Dragon - and you think it's a good thing they get hurt or die? And you try to sound cavalier about it by calling it natural selection...
Would you say the same if one of our own was riding a pass and made a mistake and fell of the side of the mountain?
Revelling in the misfortune of others - it says more about you than those who made a mistake.
I take issue with the term "trap" being used by those unwilling to admit they were wrong. I do understand your point in it being a universal term for a cop running radar, but that doesn't make the terminology correct.
Therefore...if the speed limit is posted...it's NOT a speed "trap"...agree??
Once again...if the "artificially low" speed limit is communicated by being posted....How is the term "trap" a ligitament term?