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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.
One "Hammer" size for me, please!
Agreed, but WHY do they not do it? I can give you at least one of my main reasons...because to do that puts your bike at risk of getting dropped.
I have done race and course schools, did a bit of WERA racing, and try to ride the Pace and smartly every time I do. I also practice maximum straight line braking skills.
With that said, I do not go out and put my 600lb+ bike covered in plastic at risk of getting dropped (read $$$ to fix) for training. I know I will probably get flamed for that but at least it is the truth, as I am sure it is for most.
First off you can't practice for Oh Shit moments! If you could they would be lets do this again moments!
So by going to Star/CSBS/Barber schools and track days where others and even though I have been doing this for 36 years routinely ask the instructors and the guys that are just plain better than me for tips. Is that not practice? Why are sport bike guys any bigger Asshole's than you latte drinking BMW poser asshole's? <that's for="" all="" the="" gsa1100="" and="" up="" guys="" with="" no="" dirt="" on="" your="" bike="" parked="" in="" front="" of="" latte="" land]="" i="" see="" hundreds="" new="" faces="" at="" various="" tracks="" around="" here="" summer,="" not="" them,="" because="" a="" lot="" younger="" riders="" can't="" afford="" to="" do="" full="" season="" track="" days.="" but="" my="" opinion="" is="" that="" one="" day="" does="" people="" more="" good="" than="" year="" street.="" have="" seen="" kids="" come="" brand="" 600's="" look="" like="" complete="" idiots="" during="" 1st="" session="" by="" end="" they="" are="" getting="" quickly.=""
I would and do take all of my bikes to the Track and practice riding them at the edge of my ability. Everyone should test their skill and their bike every now and again and again. It makes decision making moments on the street go your way more often than not. There will be things that crop up on the street that you cannot practice for, but having an intimate knowledge of your's and the bike's capability can never hurt!
The money for fixing your plastics is a lot less than 3 days in ICU and 6 months of PT.
Wait... I resemble that comment.. I think... .oh yeah.... I don't do latte's.
You made some good points. Yes I have taken my big tank of a beemer to the track and have learned a lot. I wish I could do it monthly. Yes I have learned you can do a lot of braking and maneuvering even while cornering. Even there things come up like when a coach waved me past after some following as so he then slowed from about 70 as I opened the throttle on an S1000rr only to have another track student think he was just called over to the side where the coach had slowed. He cut across in front of me to pull in behind the slowing coach. I stopped hard, harder than I thought I could. hard enough I think the rear wheel might have lifted a bit, but not hard enough for the abs to kick in. So there is more braking possible. BUT.... a HUGE BUT....
I fixed on the target. My space was limited but I fixed on the rear wheel of the other rider. It was there that I queued up directly behind him. If I had chosen to use a little of the space to either side I would have had a foot or two more room to brake. As it was it was close enough that I couldn't see space between his rear wheel and my front.
NEED MORE PRACTICE!!! Where do I sign up.
edit = http://csvictoryvisionrides.blogspot.com/2010/07/tail-of-dragon-et-al.html
I was grabbing a pic and was taken in by this..... are you?
It is a static shot. See the blog link above.
Gotta give him a little credit, while he didn't hang off a bit and help the bike, he hung with it long past the point where a crash was a near certainty instead of bailing. Maybe he just froze, I noticed a pretty tight looking grip on the left bar, angle is wrong to see what with and how hard the seat is being gripped. I too taken in, didn't realize it was static.
Might lose his wallet
My 5'7", 170lb self LOVES my 600lb+ sport-touring FJR pig. Arguably the best bike I have ever owned (from sportbikes to a cruiser).
I, and most of my ST friends do not like the new VFR because it brings little to the table that is not already out there for less. Besides who the hell builds an ST and has the bags as OPTIONS!
From his blog.
We ride on a little further, and we stop so Adam can take my picture with the Vision tipped over so it looks like I'm screaming around a curve. Cool picture.
Jeans, inside your boots.........................That's soooo 1980's Daharling..................
Those M109R's are turds in the twisties.
First, I don't think that bike will brake fast/well enough to require such protective gear. So my best WAG is that is some sort of massage equipment, like something with the name, "Magic Fingers"? Maybe "Stimulus Package"? If I can come up with a 'second', I will post again.
Many moons ago, a big time bike journo in the Colonies crossed The Pond to ride with the Brits and Euros to see if they were any better than us, riding skill-wise? At the end of the report piece, he wrote that the only difference that he could find was that they preferred to tuck their pant culls into the boots and we preferred to leave them out. I have no idea if this sartorial biker style is still in vogue over there?
If this rider is a Brit, then he is probably having a 'home' moment temporarily riding on the correct side of the tarmac?
Nicely done on the 109R..
I have no idea what your post suggests... I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not. I suggested practicing and building skills and it seems like you suggest doing the same, and attending high performance riding schools, clinics ,and track days. So... maybe we agree. You CAN practice for times where you need to do other than simply ride down the road at the speed limit safely. And you should practice.
You mean like how his front tire is off the ground because it's just rocking on the crash bar that isn't making sparks?
I'm an Aussie and I tuck my jeans into my boots - must be the Brit heritage. Never thought any different
But I wear my adventure pants over the top of the boots :huh
Motorcycle police here in America wear their boots on the outside, as do any serious horsemen with their cowboy boots - it doesn't pay to have extra wear and tear on one's pants/trousers down there.
Me, I tuck my adventure pants into my adventure boots - again, less wear and tear at highway speeds, and it gets rid of the damned pant-cuffs flapping in the wind.
I'm not sure I'd wear jeans inside the boots for motorcycling though. It just always looks bad. But then if I had a sportbike again, like that guy is riding, I'd have a sportier pair of leather pants to tuck into the boots.
In the summer in textile overpants I wear the jeans/slacks out of the boots. In the winter I tuck 'em in. When I wear leathers I always tuck 'em in, and I NEVER just wear slacks or jeans exposed. Too dang hard on my old, shriveled hide.
Just my 2 cents...