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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. Aussijussi

    Aussijussi Long timer

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    You can argue about the 'right line' untill blue in the face, but in a real world situations, meaning a public road, you just can't take the right line every corner you turn, for hundred different reasons, especially if you never been on that partcular stretch before. On the track it's a different story, actually easier, as there is nobody coming the other way and you know each turn by heart, without a risk of hitting loose gravel, pot hole, assortment of wildlife, car full of drunk's straying onto your side of the road, bloke on a pair of roller skis, harvester at 2am, filling the whole road, to name just few surprises to make it hard to take the right line. I'd worry more about what gear i am in and the speed i am doing, going into a turn. Then again, there are no camera's taking picture's of me riding, oh yeah, i forgot the bloody speed cameras!:D
  2. tedder

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    Moral relativism is good to a certain point, but there is still such a thing as "wrong".
  3. zuma

    zuma Been here awhile

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    He isn't dressed like Charley and Ewan!
  4. Aussijussi

    Aussijussi Long timer

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    I assume we are talking about the guy on the GS, what's he doing wrong, didn't he make the turn?
  5. TrashCan

    TrashCan Scary Jerry

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  6. DAKEZ

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    Have you priced those jackets? :eek1
  7. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod I want to do right, but not right now

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    Your line also shows that the gauges are leaning the wrong way too:norton. Hard to tell from this perspective which way his torso is in relation to the center line of the bike.
  8. ride4fun562

    ride4fun562 Been here awhile

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  9. Bill Harris

    Bill Harris Confirmed Curmudgeon

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    Dang. That's more than we ever needed to know...

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    Thanks, Shogs... :eek1
  10. Butters

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    Where's the fail? Triumph bike, Triumph jacket. Clearly he's a Brit.
  11. ER70S-2

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  12. TrashCan

    TrashCan Scary Jerry

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    I missed that part. Thanks.
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  13. TwoWheeldTerror

    TwoWheeldTerror Adventurer

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    As an former LEO who wrote many speeding tickets, I agree with this statement. Speed limits set by political entities for any reason other than scientific analysis of the engineering of the road and capability of the major of vehicles on it is a trap, plain and simple.
  14. daveinva

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    One "Hammer" size for me, please!











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  15. TwoWheeldTerror

    TwoWheeldTerror Adventurer

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    Agreed, but WHY do they not do it? I can give you at least one of my main reasons...because to do that puts your bike at risk of getting dropped.

    I have done race and course schools, did a bit of WERA racing, and try to ride the Pace and smartly every time I do. I also practice maximum straight line braking skills.

    With that said, I do not go out and put my 600lb+ bike covered in plastic at risk of getting dropped (read $$$ to fix) for training. I know I will probably get flamed for that but at least it is the truth, as I am sure it is for most.


  16. car94

    car94 What's this Box for?

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    First off you can't practice for Oh Shit moments! If you could they would be lets do this again moments!
    So by going to Star/CSBS/Barber schools and track days where others and even though I have been doing this for 36 years routinely ask the instructors and the guys that are just plain better than me for tips. Is that not practice? Why are sport bike guys any bigger Asshole's than you latte drinking BMW poser asshole's? <that's for="" all="" the="" gsa1100="" and="" up="" guys="" with="" no="" dirt="" on="" your="" bike="" parked="" in="" front="" of="" latte="" land]="" i="" see="" hundreds="" new="" faces="" at="" various="" tracks="" around="" here="" summer,="" not="" them,="" because="" a="" lot="" younger="" riders="" can't="" afford="" to="" do="" full="" season="" track="" days.="" but="" my="" opinion="" is="" that="" one="" day="" does="" people="" more="" good="" than="" year="" street.="" have="" seen="" kids="" come="" brand="" 600's="" look="" like="" complete="" idiots="" during="" 1st="" session="" by="" end="" they="" are="" getting="" quickly.=""

    I would and do take all of my bikes to the Track and practice riding them at the edge of my ability. Everyone should test their skill and their bike every now and again and again. It makes decision making moments on the street go your way more often than not. There will be things that crop up on the street that you cannot practice for, but having an intimate knowledge of your's and the bike's capability can never hurt!
    The money for fixing your plastics is a lot less than 3 days in ICU and 6 months of PT.
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  17. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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    Wait... I resemble that comment.. I think... .oh yeah.... I don't do latte's.

    You made some good points. Yes I have taken my big tank of a beemer to the track and have learned a lot. I wish I could do it monthly. Yes I have learned you can do a lot of braking and maneuvering even while cornering. Even there things come up like when a coach waved me past after some following as so he then slowed from about 70 as I opened the throttle on an S1000rr only to have another track student think he was just called over to the side where the coach had slowed. He cut across in front of me to pull in behind the slowing coach. I stopped hard, harder than I thought I could. hard enough I think the rear wheel might have lifted a bit, but not hard enough for the abs to kick in. So there is more braking possible. BUT.... a HUGE BUT....
    I fixed on the target. My space was limited but I fixed on the rear wheel of the other rider. It was there that I queued up directly behind him. If I had chosen to use a little of the space to either side I would have had a foot or two more room to brake. As it was it was close enough that I couldn't see space between his rear wheel and my front.

    NEED MORE PRACTICE!!! Where do I sign up.
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  18. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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  19. shovelstrokeed

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    Gotta give him a little credit, while he didn't hang off a bit and help the bike, he hung with it long past the point where a crash was a near certainty instead of bailing. Maybe he just froze, I noticed a pretty tight looking grip on the left bar, angle is wrong to see what with and how hard the seat is being gripped. I too taken in, didn't realize it was static.
  20. NCStephen

    NCStephen Riding NC

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    not static
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