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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by SCQTT, Apr 16, 2009.
Thanks, dude... I just fell out of my chair!!!
cute.... perhaps the chair wasn't moving fast enough... LOL
Good conversation you generated.
I'll try rolling faster next time.
anyway, I'm not afraid to ask questions. There's lots and lots and lots of stuff I don't know... I'll ask if I don't know something.
If you are married, of course you don't know things, The questions you ask just proves it. The answers you get don't help you know more. Later, by the second or third time you ask the question, you learn not to ask that one anymore. I think the longer I am married the less I know.
About that pic, I don't see the guy posing at all. He has good form, open to the curve, good torso position, good vision position, has moved and lowered the CoG to the inside so bike is more upright, he is also actively position himself on the bike so any needed response might be quicker. He and the bike are better positioned for many things that are and could occur in that curve. I wished I looked that good!!!
If it hasn't been said already, he's just setting up to enter the tighter portion of the curve.
He may look a bit like he's putting on a super-racer-knee-dragger pose, but that's because he's prepared for the tighter curve he is about to take, not the gentle, sweeping curve that you see in the pic.
You get the setup done before you start the curve.
Still... I wish I was consistent enough to look that good most of the time.
I gotcha. That makes sense to me.
First, I wished my form was that good, too.
Second, I'm not married, but I've just learned to live with the fact that I don't know everything. Also, it's easier to just ask a question than dwell on all the things I don't know.
Or maybe it wasn't being countersteered. Or coulda had a car tire.
What is she trying to say with her right hand in that position. Hmmm.
The circle game?
Open for business?
You guys seriously never played stink-eye? Where the fuck did you guys grow up?
(P.S. That clever thing owes ALL of a punch now)
You already got some great concise answers to this question. I'd recommend taking something like Total Control - they teach these techniques and give plenty of practice on their range to get it right and help adjust the techniques for you. Because of my size, my rider coach told me not to hang a butt cheek off the seat - she had me do everything else but that; I was able to get the same effect and benefts of less lean angle and tighter cornering. It's paid huge since I took the course and things make more sense while I'm riding. Really great confidence. I'm a fan of Total Control, but I suspect all those courses teach the same things. Really good experience and would recommend it for anyone who has advanced past MSF level riding.
....and when he says "open" to the curve that is usually referring to the hips, that is actually the hardest part to learn about hanging off is to get your hips pointed in the right direction, when your lower body is angled right everything else lines up much more easily and as noted there are a TON of benefits to that position.
I actually get uncomfortable pulling any real lean with my ass on the seat, feels like I'm going to lean off of the tire and its MUCH harder to change lines.
Holding a pose like that allows you a bit of leeway to make minor adjustments
Not valid, it's above her waist.
Ahhh true true
I took a two-day track course a couple years ago when I bought my VFR800. The course was about half class lessons and half track time. The instructor told me that extending the knee in a lean was a personal choice, especially on the street or highway where it's rare you'll ever have the bike leaned over that far. And I don't... not on the FJR I own now.
The instructor said that body position going into the turn was far more important than anything else, but moving the knee in or out made only a slight difference; that there were far more important things body position, looking through, picking your entry point, throttle smoothness, etc.
He said, basically, knee in or out is not much of a factor unless you're on a track.
I've just become accustomed to leaving my knees pressed against the tank.
I also think he's clowning around a little bit because he knows the photog is there.
I think you're probably right.