Hi Guys, after some feedback. I already have some Klim Dakar pants which are great for summer, but after some winter pants. Looking at the Klim Latitude or Traverse pants. Want something that is waterproof without needing to carry or take out liners when it warms up. The latitude are more expensive as they have another gortex layer and armour. The armour can be fitted to the traverse also for extra $. They both have zip ventilation, but apparently they are waterproof. Any opinions welcomed.