KLIM QnA: GORE-TEX

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by KLIM, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. KLIM

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    Hello ladies, gentlemen and the rest of us,

    If you were to assume we here at KLIM receive daily questions about the technologies we incorporate into our gear, you'd be right on. While we have our standard answers and can often spew-at-length on intriguing topics like Denier, Non-newtonian dilatant fluid properties and conductive heat loss, sometimes there's often a much better way. Sometimes, we're able to direct these inquiries straight to the source for an exceptional answer without the fluff of marketing departments (me) or salesmen. This opportunity is approaching next week with one of our most dynamically functional material and construction technology partners: GORE-TEX.

    From Tuesday-Thursday of next week (March 27th-29th), GORE-TEX representatives will be in-house at KLIM's Idaho HQ. During this time, I'd like to present questions to them straight from ADV-dom. So, please fill this thread with your questions, thoughts, concerns and ideas related to KLIM and GORE-TEX.

    I will personally conduct (and hopefully video) a QnA interview with Doug Graham, a long-time W.L. Gore and Associates rep, as well as KLIM developers and designers (if questions are relevant to their projects). The end result should be a great conversation. Every time I speak with Doug I learn something new so this is an exciting project for gear nerds.

    As with all interviews, better questions get better answers. Feel free to hit us with any questions you have about GORE-TEX and how KLIM utilizes the tech in our gear. Thanks in advance for dropping us a line right here! :D

    -JZ at KLIM
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  2. Deans BMW

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    As a FYI, San Jose BMW is now a stocking KLIM dealer. :deal
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  3. macadamia

    macadamia XK Red 27 Technique

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    Make some big boy sizes... You market some great stuff but it's all too small... I need at least 4XL stuff...
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  4. 35xj

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    my wife wants small gore-tex womens specific gear! when's it coming?
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  5. Lucky Explorer

    Lucky Explorer Traveled the world

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    I Have a Badlands with Pro GoreTex, which I assume is a generation 3 or more? What is the differences from past Gore and how is it better?
    I heard it is more waterproof (like really guaranteed) and it also breathes better than previous.
    My suit allows a ton of airflow (just got last Nov) but have not been in rain...this winter it either snows in NoAz or its sunny and I ride.

    I have always felt that dirt and oil will coat the Gore pores and cause failure and that cleaning is constantly necessary?
    When washing should a complete Nikwax treatment be used or similer, ie washing, soaking and spraying then drying in a dryer (and how hot?) or air dry?

    In previous Gore Tex products of top competetors I have experienced failure, always. I am hoping for the opposite with Klim's products.
    Compare PRO to that used in the Latitude and expected results.

    Allen
    PS love your designs and quality- all top drawer products. Thank You.
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  6. KLIM

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    Great questions! Keep them coming!

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  7. Billy Pilgrim

    Billy Pilgrim Been here awhile

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    + 1 to the question "Should a Nikwax proofing treatment be done after each Nikwax Techwash?"
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  8. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Further on the cleaning/reproofing question. How often should a Pro shell suit be washed? Is there such thing as too much? Does washing keep it more waterproof, or just more breathable?

    Great thread. Thanks!
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  9. dnrobertson

    dnrobertson Big Bike, Slow Rider

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    How about the KLIM / Goretex approved cleaning regime for the different suits (if the requirements are different).

    1. Do we need to use a special soap (i.e. Nikwax)?

    2. Should a Nikwax proofing treatment be done after each Nikwax Techwash?

    3. Anything else that is applicable.


    Some other questions:

    1. Why didn't you use a full strip of velcro on the Traverse suit on the front storm flap?

    2. Why not make the neck on the Traverse adjustable.
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  10. SoCalJeff

    SoCalJeff In the wind

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    Took the words right off of my keyboard. :evil

    I've been curious to learn best cleaning practices. I have just about everything KLIM makes at this point:wink:
    Traverse pants and jacket
    Dakar pants
    Bad Lands Pro jacket and pants
    Waiting a while on the Adventure Suit :eek1

    The last thing I would want to do is use the wrong product and shorten the lifespan of my gear.

    Looking forward to watching the progression of this thread.

    Thank you KLiM!!!!:clap
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  11. MJS

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    How waterproof is "waterproof"?

    I got caught in heavy rain (and snow) in Baja last week and after several hours of riding the crotch was wet. This was with a new pair of Traverse pants. Normal?
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  12. LoFlow

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    My question is...

    On the Rally jacket, does fuzzing on the sleeves affect the waterproofing or have any other adverse consequences? Thanks.
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  13. KLIM

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    Awesome stuff. Doug is excited to give direct feedback on GORE-TEX and I'll try to get with some product developers on the product-specific questions ASAP as well.
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  14. Billy Pilgrim

    Billy Pilgrim Been here awhile

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    This happened to me too although the leakage was also in the chest area of my Traverse jacket as well as the crutch of the pants.
    I rode in heavy rain for around 100klm.
    I did the Nikwax thing (wash and proof) and haven't tested it since but will soon.
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  15. dnrobertson

    dnrobertson Big Bike, Slow Rider

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    So to both Billy Pilgrim and MJS, do you think it was the Goretex leaking, or the water being forced through the zips? (crotch and jacket) Looking at my new Traverse suit, I am worried about the water being forced through the zips by wind pressure as there seems to be nothing to stop the water running to those points. I know the jacket has a small "storm" flap, but I think to be really effective it should have been much wider and covered the zip and folded back over itself.

    I must say though, the suit works really well. 2 months I have owned it and it is yet to rain on me :rofl
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  16. Billy Pilgrim

    Billy Pilgrim Been here awhile

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    Not easy to say. I did notice that the chest pocket zip was 3 or 4 mm from being totally done up but the flap should take care of that. I ride a 12GS with a screen so the wind blast at chest level is minimal.

    I'm thinking it was probably the zips. Next test, I'll put some vaseline on the zips.
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  17. Narsisco Lopez

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    1. + 2 on proper cleaning regimen/care for Gore-Tex products. I have the new Latitude jacket and pants and would like to know more specifics about long-term care and cleaning.

    2. Also... I've been shopping for a quality pair of Gore-Tex gloves. I ordered a pair of short Klim Elements... and, unfortunately, returned them after finding them way too bulky; simply not tactile enough for my tastes (I also tried and returned a pair of Rev'it Phantom GTX... same reasons).

    So, my question is: Is there a suitable Gore-Tex solution to make a pair of short, summer weight waterproof gloves that are relatively light and tactile? Since I have heated grips and don't ride in snow, a waterproof summer weight glove would be an amazing addition to the Klim adventure gear line-up.
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  18. KLIM

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    Just a quick note: We had a great sit-down today with Doug here in the building. We're coming up with some solid answers for the questions here (and more). We'll get them posted soon. Thanks again for pinging us.
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  19. genka

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    Gore-Tex:
    The lifetime waterproofing guarantee is great, but how long the fabric can be expected to remain breathable, especially if used in dusty conditions? Is it possible to completely restore the breathability with cleaning?
    Klim:
    I tried Latitiude jacket, and it was the biggest jacket I've ever worn in L or XL sizes. I'm 5'11", a bit over 200lbs and the Large sized jacket was huge in all dimensions- sleeves to long, lot's of belly room, even the collar was seriously loose on my 17.5" neck. Is there a reason for such sizing? The size 34 Latitude pants were spot on.
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  20. shoein

    shoein Been here awhile

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    I'm looking at the klim gore-tek socks. I ride in wet conditions and have tried waterproof boots with little success. Once the boots get wet inside it it's a pain to get them dry again. The price of the socks would be worth it if they last a few seasons, keep my feet dry and I can ride in non waterproof boots. What is the process for the waterproofing guarantee if they start leaking?
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