Know anything about the Honda CGL 125?

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by unGringo, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. unGringo

    unGringo Texan in Lima

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    Hi, been lurking here at ADV for a long time now... living vicariously.

    Well... I just moved to Lima, Peru longterm and I'm looking to get a bike... I need cheap and wouldn't mind blending in as much as possible... so I'm looking at getting a little 125.

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    There are tons and tons of CGL 125's rolling around here, I'm pretty sure they're made in China... but they're still Hondas... are they any good? Anybody out there that can tell me the difference in a CGL and a regular CG 125? Will gladly accept any insight any of ya'll might have.

    Also, anybody out there in Lima?
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  3. damasovi

    damasovi Long timer

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    amigo, they look Chinese, and why not a Cargo also 125 and they are bullet proof!!! made in Brazil

    Damasovi
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  4. unGringo

    unGringo Texan in Lima

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    Damazovi - Thanks for the suggestion. From what I have been able to dig up on the internets, nobody has anything bad to say about the CG125. Bulletproof, minimal maintenance, tough, simple, cheap, parts everywhere for cheap... great value for your dollar... of course small and slow, but mostly I'll be splitting lanes in Lima... and my budgets really pretty low.

    I am pretty sure the CGL is made in China... does that 100% mean I should steer clear? Is it still Honda engineering and manufacturing? Both have Honda 125 OHV engines... but are there differences between them? Anybody know?

    From the Honda Peru website, it seems the CG125 FAN is available... but I don't know what "FAN" really means. And I don't know how much they're asking.

    I'm going to go talk to a dealer, hopefully tomorrow and try to find out some more info... but I was hoping to get some info from real world experience.
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  5. damasovi

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    amigo if this what you want I would buy it. Yes it is made in China but it is for Honda and that is the same principle for the new BMWs that are part chinese.

    Ask for a test drive? In mexico that is no way not going to happend affair, but you could always ask, right?

    In Mexico we dont get this model, just the closest one is the 125 TOOL http://www.honda.com.mx/motos/tool/ ALso Chines but i would also buy it if a CARGO was out of my budget.

    Enjoy and be careful while split laning

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  6. bouldergeek

    bouldergeek Filthy, poor KLR dweeb

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    I am really considering an Italika DM200 for an extended tour south of the US. They can take so much abuse being dished out, at sub $1800 new.

    Also, I like the Honda NR150 (I think that is it), that is all over CA. I think that those would be my top choices. But, yea, a pizza delivery Cargo with the caja by Pizza Hut, that is a damn nice urban vehicle.

    I tried to get the Xela Pizza Hut to sell me a top box for my KLR. The manager actually told me to stop begging, and escorted me off premises, with a shotgun guard along for backup. Damn, I really like their delivery cases!
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  7. unGringo

    unGringo Texan in Lima

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    Ha. There's a chain down here called Pardo's Chicken that has by far the "best" top boxes I've seen... this is the best pic I could find spur of the moment...

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    If you can't tell... it's a giant chicken... that carries around, well, chicken.

    Of the readily available and cheap bikes here in Lima, my first preference would be the Honda NXR 125 Bros...

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    But, it's a little out of my tiny budget for a new one... and right now I'm really wanting new.

    So, I haven't completely decided yet, but I'm leaning towards the Brazilian made CG125 FAN... which is your run of the mill bulletproof CG125. Still debating if it's worth the extra $500 or so over the chinese CGL125.
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  8. bouldergeek

    bouldergeek Filthy, poor KLR dweeb

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    Yeah, that is sweet! One chain in Mazatlan had gian hamburger topcases, and I thought that would be cool, too. No way I would stand out with one of those on.
    Yeah, that is the one that I meant. NXR instead of NR and 125 instead of 150.
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    slideways permanent ex-pat

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    Plus 1 on the Bros. When I lived in Honduras you would see those things everywhere. Run forever, never break almost zero maintenance.

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  10. peru

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    And what about the elite 125 of honda ?
    it s more a urban bike , u can put in ur helmet .
    honda CGL is a very easy bike to stole , i know it because i leaved a good time in Tarapoto in the jungle of Peru . The engine and lot of things in the bike are the same has the mototaxi .
    Cya
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  11. unGringo

    unGringo Texan in Lima

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    Hey, thanks for your input... it took me a while to figure out what bike you were talking about... but the elite isn't quite what i'm looking for. I mean, I know the little bikes I'm looking at aren't going to knock anybody's socks off... but I just can't do a scooter... and I think in some parts of Lima you could lose one of those scooters in a pot hole and never find it again.:D
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    I so much miss my BRos!!! I had the 125 cc (instead of the 150 cc) and it was a blast, I learn on that thing to ride back in 2004, put over 10,000 km just be rearended by a dude. When money comes easy to hold on to I will buy one again, maybe different color.

    Damasovi
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  13. unGringo

    unGringo Texan in Lima

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    I know nobody's exactly been losing any sleep over the subject. But thanks for the input on the bikes and such.

    I ended up deciding I'd rather have the Brazil made CG125 FAN over the Chinese CGL. So, I'm rolling on 2 wheels in Lima! The little black beast had 1.4 km on it when I rolled it into my garage and just got it's 500 km oil change.

    Sorry, no actual pictures but it looks just like this... only dirtier.
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    Thanks again for you help.
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  14. JamesOn2Wheels

    JamesOn2Wheels Banned

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    I had a CGL125TT "todo terreno" and it isn't a todo terreno. VERY uncomfortable for anything more than 1 hour riding, front forks are garbage - they bottom out on any terrain. Upside is motor is indestructible albeit a little underpowered as it's an old pushrod style.
    For city driving the regular CGL125 is fine. More comfortable is the Honda job and Suzuki 125GN. The honda Job is spendy, the Suzuki 125 is the world record holder for mpg at Bonneville and a very powerful motor for a 125 - just keep the oil clean especially change after 1st 100km !!!!
    Of those, the Suzuki is the only one with a paper oil filter...the others have some stupid screen thingy.
    If you want to offroad get a 125 Bros - again spendy and no paper oil filter but a decent suspension. Tornado is good too but runs hot and 1st gear is too high for class 3 and 4
    roads and a corona gear (the back one) is impossible to find a larger to switch out for lower gearing but you can fit one from Suzuki DR250-350 if you just turn out the center hole about 1.5mm - take it to a "torno" and they'll do it for about 10 bucks. Go for 10 more teeth at least.
    Euromot 200, Qingqi 200, Genesis 200 are all the same Suzuki copies and are cheap and pretty reliable.
    Yamaha YBR is ok bike I guess, no oil filter. Big Yamahas are spendy and the 250 enduro has a weask monoshock. AG200 Yamaha is excellent bike.
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  15. Horatio0163

    Horatio0163 Been here awhile

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    unGringo,
    Would it be rude of me to ask what you ended up paying for your new CG125 FAN? As a gringo who will be in Lima for about five months in the near future I'm thinking of trying to find a bike just to get around town, and occasionally to escape town. Besides, I'll be missing more than half the riding season here in Minnesota, so I have to get my time in the saddle in somehow.
    I'd like to find a bike that won't break the bank too much, but won't be too much of a pain to maintain/repair. Are any of the Chinese made bike reliable enough? Are there any particularly good places to find used motorcycles? How difficult is it to purchase/register a bike as a foreigner?
    Any advise you or others with Peruvian experience have would be most helpful. ¡Muchísimas gracias, amigo!
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  17. unGringo

    unGringo Texan in Lima

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    Ok... to answer your questions...
    Not rude as far as I'm concerned... I bought a brand new 2008 model at the end of 2009. I paid $1990 for it... when I got it the odometer read "0.6 km". I think a new one lists about $500 or $600 more than that, i.e. a 2010 bike.

    I really don't know how reliable the Chinese bikes are. What I do know is that there are gazillions of them on the road here. Some brands I can think of off the top of my head are RTM, Wanxin, Cycler, Fortte, and dozens of others. I recently have looked with a friend and you can get brand new older style CG125 knock offs for about $850 list price.

    There have got to be tons and tons of used bikes available... but where to actually buy them isn't very obvious... and I haven't looked because I wasn't particularly interested in a used one because new ones are so affordable... if couldn't have afforded the Brazil made FAN, I would have bought a Chinese knock-off... or the Chinese Honda CGL which runs $1400ish list price.

    I can only speak from my experience and I have a resident visa which allows me to have a Carnet de Extranjeria. That means I can do things like register vehicles and buy things just like Peruvians. I think what you'd need is a special stamp from Immigration that says they've approved you to buy and sell goods and enter into contractual agreements. That's what they told me when I was trying to buy a car before I received my Carnet... so I'd think it's the same for a bike. One other thing, FYI, the insurance company called La Positiva is the only one that sells motorcycle insurance. The insurance called SOAT is what you are required to have by law and it's what all the cops will ask to see when they inevitably pull you over. Going rate for bribes is 10 to 20 Soles... about $3 to $7... FYI.

    I'm sure there is a ton of stuff... one thing that comes to mind is that if you're here on a tourist visa, when you go through customs and they stamp your passport, you can ask for the maximum length, which is 183 days... much better than the default 14 they will give you if you don't specify.

    If you have any other specific questions about Lima, I'll be happy to take a stab at answers.
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  18. Horatio0163

    Horatio0163 Been here awhile

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    Gracias por tu respuesta, unGringo. He sido en Lima desde viernes y ¡amo la ciudad! He visto muchos motos y con cada quiero un moto más. Quizás en las semanas que viene investigará el proceso en más detalla.
    Vivo en Miraflores y tomo clases a la Católica en San Miguel. Si quieres, te compraría un cerveza a algun momento.

    Otra vez ¡muchisima gracias por tu ayuda!
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  19. LS650

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    If anyone is still interested in this subject, there is a fellow riding a little CGL 125 from Chile to the US...

    http://www.ojurik.com/bike/
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    I bought a new 2012 Cgl Honda in Guadalajara, Mexico last june. It has 3000 plus kilometers on it now. I do not believe it is made in China. I will look for the paper work. I weigh 205 pounds and top speed is 65 MPH. The bike comes in Black, Blue, Wine and White. I love mine. I bought a new CB 125 in 1973 and rode it 18,000 plus miles before hitting a large dog. And beat it like a step child daily being 16. The difference between the old and new bike is a separate tach and speedo. a electric start, and a enclosed chain. The post office and the Dominoes Pizza as well as the Coke and Pepsi delivery people ride them. I have 4 other motorcycles and ride the Honda the most. I am going to take this one to California and leave it and buy another one for here in Ajijic, Mexico. BmW 1200 adventure, Harley mule street tracker, Kawasiki 1400 Concourse and a 1998 Excelsior Henderson. You cannot beat these bikes for in town errands But i ride mine 28 miles on the main road to Guadalajara as well.
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