Kriega USA Luggage Q&A

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by amanlikemike, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. amanlikemike

    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    Hey woolsocks,

    Sorry to hear you're experiencing issues with your tank set-up. However, I'm sure I can resolve them for you.

    The set-up you saw on that Tiger 800 was prior to the introduction of the Alloy Hooks Straps. The compression straps in that photo did the job, but were a little fiddly if you wanted to ride with and without the bag because you needed to remove a clip and the strap keepers from one end of each strap to thread it on to and off of the base plate. Below are the instructions you will have received with the US Tank, which show the Alloy Hooks simply hooked into the web loops on the base plate...

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    ... However, I much prefer to thread the hooks through the loops and then attach them back on their own strap, as shown here:

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    This is tidier, but just as easy to remove the bag, complete with straps. Although you can still use the quick-release clips on the top of the pack for quick, temporary removal, if you wish.

    As for the straps slipping, this is absolutely not normal. May I ask if you'd be so kind as to refer back to the instruction sheet and check that you have threaded the straps through the buckles exactly as shown? Just to be on the safe side you can also 'lock-off' the forward straps, by threading them back through the buckle one more time, if you wish.

    I hope this info helps, but please feel free to let me know if you are still experiencing issues, or require any further detail.


    Cheers,



    Michael
  2. Jason Abbott

    Jason Abbott Long time Idaho rider

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    I did an overnight shakedown on a KTM 500 with the Overlander 30 and Combo 30 with mixed results. First the good: there were dozens of stream crossings and everything stayed dry and secure. It was easy to pack, unpack and re-pack.

    I had the GoPro but I haven't processed it yet. Here's someone else's video of the same trails: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knvb0GE40dc (I feel a little better about my ride after watching that since I did several climbs and creeks without dropping it :lol3)

    The less good: From the get-go, I couldn't get the Combo 30 to sit solidly when affixed to just the puck loop things that come with the Overlander. I cinched both the 10 and 20 directly to the loops and had only a sleeping bag and little aluminum chair frame in the 20. The 10 had a miniature tripod and small camera bag with two prime lenses. Not much weight in those.

    The less less good: Midway to my destination, out in those mountains, I lost a puck. The stud was still in place with good threads still painted blue with loctite but the cap that secures the loop was gone — not sure how that happened but it sucked. Before and after that, the straps seemed to easily work themselves loose. I had to cinch them back down several times.

    The Overlander bags aren't secured on the lower trailing edge and seemed to flop some on the rough trails. This caused the side panel plastic to contact the pipe and melt right at the point that has heat shielding. Whether the shielding got mooshed or just couldn't withstand prolonged contact, I don't know.

    Now what?

    I want to be able to travel at least a week at a time so I'm thinking I need a rack for the Combo 30 bags. With some extra heat shielding, the Overlanders will probably be fine but the tail bags seem to need a solid base for true trail riding. Thoughts?
  3. amanlikemike

    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    Hi Jason,

    Sorry to hear that you experienced some set-up issues with the packs. None of these problems should have occured. Is there any way you can please email or post some shots of your bike, fully loaded as you had it this weekend and also some detail shots of the mounting points? I'm fairly sure we can solve this to your full satisfaction. In the meantime, I'll send a replacement Rack Loop out to you in today's mail.

    I look forward to hearing back from you - please let me know if I can be of any further service at this stage.


    Michael
  4. Jason Abbott

    Jason Abbott Long time Idaho rider

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    Yeah, I'll process some shots to share tonight. They may be good setup counter-examples. :D I appreciate your quick reply.
  5. amanlikemike

    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    No worries, mate. I'm confident we can fix this. All our gear is torture tested by Dom & Mike (Kriega owner / partners who design every item themselves), as well as with what Dom describes as "ridiculous riding" courtesy of Dakar racer, Craig Bounds (shown here tackling 'Brown Trouser Hill'):

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    ...So, it can handle pretty much anything us mere mortals throw at it.

    As for the side panel - some of them can be a bit flimsy, so - aside from [or instead of] additional heat shielding - you might want to grab an exhaust slider, like the one traveltoad put on his 950SE here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19130318&postcount=123

    P.S. Just had a peek at your website - some really great shots there and the new bike is looking sharp!


    Cheers,


    Michael
  6. Mastodon

    Mastodon Mother F'n Dinosaur

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    Just got the chance to use the Overlander 60 on a long multi day trip. Been working on a trip report for it, but basically was 1200+ miles, with the last 700 of them in a constant downpour. I'll attest that they are definitely waterproof. Clothes in the bags were significantly drier than I was in my rain gear. But I'll caveat it with the fact that they have to be installed correctly.

    Each of the 15L bags attach to the backing plate with 5 screws. On mine, the holes on the bags almost line up with the holes on the backing plate. I kinda had to angle some connectors and leave others only partially tightened in order to get them to fit. Well, as the miles passed, the vibrations of the bike and the road caused about 2 or 3 of the specialty bolts and connectors to work their way off. Per bag. So now there are holes in the outer shell of the Overlander bags that water could get through. And as those pieces were working their way loose, I think try we're scraping against the inner bag, letting them lose some of their protectiveness too.

    Still, 700 miles of rain, and an iPad case only gets partially wet? Other systems could do a lot worse.

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    Oh, how do I go about getting more of those pieces to bolt the bags to the backing plate?
  7. Jason Abbott

    Jason Abbott Long time Idaho rider

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    Michael, I didn't take any clear shots of the strap arrangement and to help matters, this being my first overnight ride of the year, I remembered a few things out the door that I just snapped on the outside, further obscuring the straps. :D

    I criss-crossed the straps from the Overlander bags while the 10 and 20 cinched straight down to the loops. I had to stop several times to re-cinch everything when I felt it start flopping around. I rode slower to accommodate.

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  8. team ftb

    team ftb Befuddled Adventurer

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    Jason can you be so kind to post the pics on the thread so we can both learn about mounting the Overlander 30's on the 500?

    When I put my OL 30's up against my 500 I saw a need for something to keep the side number plate and the muffler from making contact. The OEM heatshield on the numberplate will not work with the bag constantly making contact with the hot exhaust in my opinion. I've done this before on my KTM 525 and will be protecting the 500 side panel as well.
  9. amanlikemike

    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    Hi mate,

    Again, something's up here! :hmmmmmAlthough they can be a bit stubborn the first time due to the very tight tolerances, the connectors should line up perfectly if the instructions are followed (i.e. add fasteners diagonally, rather than from top to bottom etc) and have done on every set I've seen so far. If they don't on yours, I'll be more than happy to send replacements platforms. Any photos you have which show the misalignment would be useful in diagnosing this.

    A damp iPad case is not acceptable to us in any way shape or form, but that *could* theoretically happen if fasteners were missing. Were you sure to use the included Loctite on each one and let it cure for 24 hours before use? Regardless, I'll send you replacements, if you let me know how many you need.

    I reckon we can get your system firing on all cylinders without too much hassle.


    Michael
  10. amanlikemike

    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    Hi Jason,

    OK - my off-the-cuff diagnosis here is that the bags are set too low, which is preventing you from getting enough tension in the straps and resulting in 'flop'. If you look at the installation instructions, photos on the website / in the catalog and other owners, such as the ubiquitous and gentlemanly traveltoad's on page 11 onwards of this thread, you can see that the top corners of the bags should be slightly above seat level and the lower straps attached to a fixed point.

    This will hoist the bags into a more diagonal position, placing more surface tension (rather than pressure) on the side panels and straighten out the strapping. This, in turn, might also provide other options for attaching the daisy chain strap. Either way, that slack should definitely not be there and surely can be removed.

    The bags work best when fully packed, but when not stuffed to the gills, always yank the compression straps down as tight as possible to stop the weight of the stuff inside transferring. Same goes for the US pack on the tail - there's no reason the straps should slip if pulled as tight as possible and the strap keepers are employed.

    This is all only based on what I can see in the video / photo but I am quite confident that - with the addition of an exhaust slider - the issues you describe can be eliminated with a bit of experimenting in terms of bag position.

    I hope that helps, but please feel free to post up any more photos that might help, or PM a contact number if you'd like me to call and talk you through the installation.


    Cheers,



    Michael
  11. Jason Abbott

    Jason Abbott Long time Idaho rider

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    That makes sense. I will give it a shot when I get the one loop replaced. And I'll post up some pictures of my loop layout on the KTM 500. Thanks again.
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    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    One of these should do the trick. Just ordered one up for my bike after dropping it and melting the side panel:

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    Thanks to traveltoad for the source.
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    team ftb Befuddled Adventurer

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    When using the above heat shield device just confirm you have enough clearance between the rear tire and muffler on full compression of the rear shock. On my 525 when bottomed, the tire would rub the OEM muffler, luckily later model KTM's have designed more oval shaped mufflers to get around this issue. Edit: I've just seen they have a half slider which would be better if you have clearance issues. Michael (and Traveltoad) did you need the additional heat strips they sell to prevent melting of the device or has it been fine without?

    An inexpensive method for a last minute fix to offset the sideplate from the muffler are simply two large hose clamps with the fastening coupling centered between the muffler and numberplate. Cost $2. Wrap two hose clamps round the muffler (with the screw coupling positioned between the muffler and numberplate) about 3-4 inches apart and that should keep the numberplate off the muffler and not impede on clearance issues between the tire and muffler.
  14. Droptarotter

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    Jason;

    Those bags should not loosen up like that..........one thing I wondered about with your video.........is there any way that the tail bag was attached in such a way that it could move, press the release and undo the rear OL strap??

    It looked to me like the front lower straps were set too long on the ladder bar and not allowing you to tighten the rear OL straps enough.......but it is hard to tell in the video, so I might be mistaken?????

    Cheers
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    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    Good call. And yup - there's more than one way to skin a cat!

    The sliders come with the heat shield material included, but they sell spare sections in case you need to remove it regularly etc. I have yet to receive mine, but will report back when I do. However, my Ti Remus end-can runs remarkably cool, so the heat shouldn't be an issue - for me it's more about helping keep stuff clear of the 2-1 pipe, which does get a little on the warm side, so I went for one of these TrailJammer shields too, while I was at it:

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    Mike;

    You might want to hide that ABS sensor wire so it does not get ripped off!

    Cheers
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    Droptarotter Long timer

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    Jason;
    In the photo...........the lower front strap does not look like it is secure........ can it move up and down on the frame??
    You need to secure it somehow!

    Cheers
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    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    That's not my bike, mate. Got the wire tucked away on mine (considering a possible delete option too...), but thanks for caring! :D
  19. amanlikemike

    amanlikemike Recovering Speedfreak

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    Yup!

    The lower strap needs to be attached to the subframe, not the main frame. As it stands, whenever you're pulling / shortening straps to tighten the pack onto the Rack Loops, the whole system will just slide upwards. No tension is being created because the bottom strap is not fixed tightly to the bike / frame. The instructions show the bottom strap should be at the junction of the airbox plastic and the subframe, which is a good spot on the 500 EXC.

    A replacement Rack Loop is on the way. Please screw it on as tight as you dare and be generous with the Loctite, then allow it to cure fully before using the system in anger.

    After that, you should be good to go!


    Cheers,



    Michael
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    Feel the Kriega love... :clap