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Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by Tancakar, May 16, 2013.
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I am planing a trip a fairly long one , London to Istanbul. If anyone wants to join please contact me from here
Hallo Guys, have a new 1190 Adventure and live in Pretoria, South Africa. This country have some of the worlds most amazing offroad riding areas and I fully intend to explore them in the next few years.
I am 54 and a electronic engineer with my own business. I get some free time to travel and my wife always join in.
I took the Adventure and LC on test drives last week one up and with my wife. I choose the Adventure because it is a bike that has significantly better specs ( 23 L vs 20 L tank, 30+ more HP on back wheel, 20+ kg lighter and KTM's offload legacy). She choose the Adventure because she said she felt safer and more planted.
I took the bike for a 300 km spin this weekend which included 20 km dirt and some patches of soft sand. The bike was great through all of that and I did not come off especially considering that I went offroad 30 years ago at last count. It really gave me confidence since we rode with other riders and 3 came off. (all BMW bikes 650, 2 x 1200 adv). I cannot wait for the next ride.
The bike is great on dirt and great on the road. Yeehah!!!
I wish mate - have a safe and enjoyable ride!!!
It's an awesome bike - funny your mrs made the decisive call or I'm assuming she did :)
Well you know how it is. Agree with her on some minor points and the deal is done!
She is keen on touring but less on offroad riding. Will see if she joins me. I need a lot more offroad experience before that happens.
My new orange beastie has now arrived in the dealers. Should get her later in the week.
Go easy, the bike wants to go so enjoy carefully. :)
Fast forward to 2014!: Seriously considering new 1190 Adv standard model here in the US of A, and hoping to hear about reliability you all have experienced so far. Put 40,000 miles on 2011 R1200GS and had no issues - also BMW support system is tops, not inexpensive, but dealer network is extensive.
Any updates on annoying issues such as sore wrist due to fly-by-wire throttle, undue heat and hard seat?? Anything else?
In my area (around Chattanooga) we have a new KTM dealer right in town (Griffith) and 3 others within 1.5-2 hours drive in Nashville, Knoxville and Atlanta. There are a few in/around Atlanta metro. From all appearances, KTMs dealer network has expanded significantly in the last 3 years.
My nephew is a new KTM dealer, (Solid Performance), in Downingtown, PA, not far from Philadelphia. He managed to get a factory 1190 Adv demo on loan a few months ago so I made the five hour drive down from Upstate NY to visit and get a ride on the demo bike.
As background, I have been riding about half a century now. My current stable includes an '08 KTM 690 that I use for DS riding and a '10 990 Adventure, (for sale, BTW), that is my "road" bike, though they are often very bad, (good?) roads.
Given the amount of effort it took to get my 990 running they way it should, and outfitted to suit my needs, I was not expecting to be impressed by the 1190. It is an uncommon opportunity to he handed the keys to such a motorcycle and told to "have fun", so how could I not take him up on it? My brother rode his 690E with street tires and guided me all over Chester County. Even though I grew up in that area my brother gave me a fantastic tour on roads I did not even know about. Twisty country roads, gravel, highway... we did it all.
At the end of our little hundred mile demo, I parked the bike in my nephew's shop, handed him the key.... and promptly informed him that one of his incoming 1190s would have my name on it!
It has been noted by many already, and perhaps with greater eloquence, that the 1190 motor must be experienced to be believed. The dual plug ignition and FI mapping make the engine superbly well behaved from idle up. One can idle away in second gear without complaint and not a hint of the engine coughing or quitting. With a tighter steering radius than my 990 one can do first gear slow speed figure eights at idling speeds with complete engine and chassis control. The bike does indeed feel lighter than the 990 even though it is in fact ever so slightly heavier.
On the road, the bike is a "natural". Feels like it is on rails at all times. The brakes are superb. The motor traction control is utterly amazing. Pull off a paved road onto dirt - gravel and grab a handful of throttle... the rear wheel gives the tiniest wiggle and the bike rockets forward. The power delivery feels seamless. Truly amazing technology.
Ditto the ABS. I practice emergency stopping routinely and on a non ABS bike this requires paying attention. On the 1190 no matter what combination of brakes you apply the bike remains stable and stops very, very well. In real world street riding, this technology could save your bacon.
The fly by wire throttle has a pretty stiff return spring, which I am at a loss to understand the reasoning for, but the connection to the motor is perfect and not at all sensitive to "throttle jiggle". I intend to fashion some sort of mechanism to counter act the spring to lessen the wrist effort, but in truth, it did not really cause me any discomfort over the several hours I rode it. My early cycles, (old Harleys), had push - pull throttle cables with no spring return at all, (pre Federal standards), and I consider the hard spring returns of today to be ridiculous, but that is another story. I like to be able to rest my hands and even remove them from the grips briefly every now and then. Impossible with the current throttle spring, which appears to be largely tamper proof.
Some have called the seat "hard", but for my bony ass, it is amazingly good and I am not going to change it at all. It sits a little lower than the single piece seat of my 990 and allows me to easily flat foot the bike. I think it adds to the perception of it being lighter than it is.
Are there any faults? Aside from the throttle spring the most annoying feature is the turn signal switch followed by the high low beam switch. The signal switch has very little movement and thus very little tactile feedback. Without checking the dash for the indicator I was never sure if I had actually succeeded in turning them on. The high low beam switch is very easily flicked unintentionally, up or down. Admittedly, I was riding with winter gloves and I have big hands. These issues will probably be of less concern with my lighter summer gloves and more familiarity, but the design choices here could be improved.
I am very fussy about helmet noise due to turbulent airflow. I spent a lot of $ getting that problem fixed on my 990. The 1190 is better, but IMO, not great. Not even good, really. I have no idea why designers insist on putting the little reverse curl on the top of so many windshield designs... maybe it is supposed to look cool or sexy, but it adds turbulence to the air hitting the rider. At highway speeds I found the pressure "flutter" experienced by my ears to be utterly unacceptable in-spite of molded ear plugs. Other reports have deemed the wind screen pretty good. Hard for me to fathom that.
Then there is the issue of speedo error. Both the demo and my new bike, (yes it is sitting in the barn waiting for good weather), read optimistically by quite a bit... 6-7 mph at an honest 60 mph (GPS). I fixed that problem on my 990 with a Healtech recalibrator, but the 1190 is CAN bus so that device is not an option. I am hoping to learn that there is a way to use the internal software to make corrections. TBD. Why a motorcycle with 21st century technology is delivered with such an out of whack instrument dumbfounds me. This is a very high performance motorcycle. It needs an accurate speedometer.
I got a call from my nephew just before xmas that his allotment of 1190s was coming in all at once so the March delivery I expected took place over the xmas - new years holiday. Santa really delivered this year!
The weather has been mostly very cold and snowy so I have only put about 80 miles on my new bike. Every mile it impresses me more. I ordered the optional really short Adventure R wind screen and this is much better for me than the stock one. I also added some rubber washers under the lower screws to decrease the attack angle a little.
I installed the Adventure kit and the orange crash bars that are stock on the R model. The accent on the bike is gorgeous and I love the overall styling of the 1190 Adv. A matter of personal taste to be sure, but a great looking bike IMO.
I am not the least bit concerned about reliability and maintenance issues and I will be doing those chores my self.
Sorry to ramble on, but I figured I may be one of the first actual 2014 Adv owners in the USA so I thought I would pass on my early observations. If you are considering one, I can't imagine anyone regretting taking ownership of this magnificent machine. Don't wait too long. My nephew has already sold every one and Spring is months away!
I've only put a couple hundred miles on my R version and agree with most everything you said. I didn't really notice the throttle return, but?? I did find the shorter screen on the R to provide decent wind protection but cause no helmet issues. Maybe you can swap yours out, I think they are interchangeable? the turn signal switch is very annoying but I am getting used to the hi-lo switch. I have to say the electronics are amazing!! I had assumed I would typically leave them turned off, but they work so good I think I will leave them on most of the time. 0-100-0 on the gravel is amazing! I can't do it any faster without the TC/ABS, I had to admit I was wrong about electronics. so far I'm loving it!
Hi Black Hills... I believe the short smoke wind screen I got is considered an R model alternative, but it does mount right up. That is the one that I added some rubber washer shims under the lower screws to decrease the angle a bit more to lower the clean air zone to below the bottom of my helmet.
Definitely a huge improvement over the stock screen but not quite perfect, say 95%. I drive my self crazy sometimes getting things they way I want them, but it's my nature and she is my new baby, so I will fuss with it until it is right for me. I may take a band saw to the stock screen just so I can eliminate the reverse curl at the top and see the effect. Thankfully, the replacement cost is pretty reasonable. I can't use it anyway, so no loss if the experiment "fails".
I had an Aprilia Falco for some years and it had the best aerodynamics of any bike I ever owned... maybe my favorite bike ever, but the riding position was getting too hard for me to sustain... arms, back, neck, etc.. The 990 was a whole lot better for my body, just took a while to sort out the turbulence issues.
I moved my HDB setup from my 990 before selling it. The bar risers and the Kaoko throttle lock were a part of the setup. The Kaoko solves the problem you mention above.
when I was at my dealer a couple of weeks ago, he had my bike connected to their computer/analyzer and I was quietly watching him scanning through the various menus where settings on the bike can be changed.... in one of the menus I briefly saw an entry called "speed calibration" or something to the effect - I was more concerned about my problem at that stage, so never asked him about that.
Seeing your nephew is a KTM dealer and assuming he has all the KTM computer stuff, could you perhaps ask him to check for that and report back here?
Re the diagnostics tool for recalibrating the speedo... I just emailed my nephew to see if he can check on that. Being a new dealer he has only had the diagnostic tool a short time and the big street bikes are a bit of a new entity for him. He is an engineer by training and a VERY quick study so it won't be long before he is fully expert. (He is already a master of suspension and the the classic KTM dirt world engine wise. Yeah, a plug from an admiring uncle, but it is a fact!). I will report back here when I can confirm the speedo calibration issue.
I am also going to research and make inquiries about the compatibility of Tune ECU (with the 1190 Adv) and perhaps having access to that feature from there. I have used TuneECU on both my 990 and 690 many times with great success as far as mapping goes.
Perljam... re your concern about the electronics... I appreciate the gut concern about the electronics, but that is long behind me. In my youth I carried a point file with me everywhere I rode. I spent as much time fixing my bikes as I did riding them. Fast forward to today... I have never experienced a "computer" failure on any vehicle I have ever owned, and that covers a lot of miles and machines, four wheels and two. They may be the most reliable part of the modern motorcycle. Granted, if one truly fails, you can't fix it in the field, but that is true for a blown coil or water pump, too.
I had one forced stop on my 690E on the CDR two summers ago. It was electrical in nature and I was not close to anything as far as help goes. I feared the "computer", but it turned out to be a fatigue broken wire to the coil. In other words, a "mechanical" failure and easily fixed. I needed a little rest at the time anyway. The upside of FI? It works perfectly no matter the altitude. In fact, riding around in CO at 6-10K' the 690 routinely gets phenomenal mileage.. 70 mpg.. all thanks to FI. It doesn't make as much power at 13K, but it runs perfectly. I have no interest in carbs what so ever. Been there, done that.
As far as the 1190 goes, my only concern would be, "can I make the payments?" Go for it. You won't look back