KTM 1190 - New Wings Seat Cooler / Heat Shield

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by RobZorba, Apr 25, 2014.

  1. ebrew

    ebrew Motorcycle A.D.D.

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    After installing this heat shield felt the frame and ecu area after a hot ride? I would ... It's really hot down there and in the long run I think your going to cook the electronics. That mat your laying on top of the ecu is just keeping the heat in


    I understand the heat thing but after riding a 1198 for a few seasons this bike is a walk in the park heat wise :)
  2. KENMOTO

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    is there anyway you can get the blanket under electronics? maybe if someone has a heat gun thermometer you can do a before and after comparison?
  3. BigMan73

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    One can put a $12 Arduino Nano V3 attached to an accurate $1-2 digital thermometer connected via I2C protocol...
    I did that with my Strumputer project for DL650. One thermometer is under the seat and another in the cockpit. They give very accurate readings with 0.1C precision. :deal

    My solution is mounted, but a temporary Arduino (without display) just logging temperature from one or more thermometers can verify what's really going on there. If I had a KTM 1190 ADV I would have probably done this experiment.

    https://code.google.com/p/stromputer/
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    Arduino Nano V3, very small, runs of 12V:
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    DS18B20 I2C digital temperature sensor:
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  4. davehg

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    Ordered these late last week and already here on Monday! Easy install, nice fit, and a ride today in 80+ degree weather shows it works well.

    Pricey to be sure but good craftsmanship and it looks stock, not aftermarket.
  5. RobZorba

    RobZorba Been here awhile

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    Hi BigMan75.

    Thanks a lot for sharing this and your software, it's a nice design. After all your hard work on the development, would you be interested to launch a KickStarter project to take it into production? I daresay after-market suppliers e.g. Wings, Touratech would be interested if you gear up via Kickstarter.
  6. BigMan73

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    Hi Rob,
    Thanks for your kind words.
    I don't want to pollute your thread with my project, just wanted to assist potential heat diagnostics solutions. My main interest is to be able to get a KTM 1190 ADV without major heat issues. This is one of the main reasons I will not buy the KTM 1190 ADV, for now. Maybe the 2015 model is better.

    I was thinking about launching a KickStater project. But the thing is, I'm not sure what the product is and who the target audience would be. The modern bikes already have battery and/or gear indicator and/or temperature display.
    Also I do not know how to package it properly (i.e. design a small cost effective enclosure and solution). I am software architect, with some experience in electronics, but not a package engineer. My prototype was not designed for large scale production.
    Making this a product is not easy.
    Also I'm not sure there is any real revenue there is here.
  7. emreturkeli

    emreturkeli "Ruzgarin Tersine"

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    Hi Guys!

    Thanks for all the valuable input in this forum! You're really helping us guys who lives abroad about the serious issues and how to overcome them regarding the bike.

    After making a full day test ride over 450 km on 1190 ADV (standard version) I decided to buy it. (I'm not tall enough for R version, just 178 cm)

    My main concern and question is that I'm travelling with my wife a lot, and apparently this seat cooler solution channels all the hot air to the pillion foot peg. :cry

    Are there anybody who figured out something to solve this issue? I was checking the pictures and the outlet of the seat cooler is really blowing everything right to her feet. Maybe another additional plastic part that will cover that area too until the pillion foot peg is also covered? Which leads me to my other question, is it possible that maybe wings is already working on an improved second gen seat cooler?

    Just curious... :ear

    Thanks in advance for all the input..
  8. Mugatu

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    seat coolers installed in 10mn, haven't tried yet but at least it's looking good!
    Matt black on 1190R
  9. Davy F

    Davy F Pro Goolie Fiddler

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    I'm on a European tour right now and it was 29 degrees Celsius in Monaco today. Riding through the principality, the coolers certainly help and there is a marked difference when stopped at traffic lights etc. Yes, there is still a load of heat that emanates from the engine, but my legs aren't suffering like they were before, especially the left leg. A sound investment, :clap
  10. Corsica101

    Corsica101 Been here awhile

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    The only issue is yr legs and thats why I made the shields as well for mine but trust me the bike is not suffering. I've put it down somewhere already that I was stuck in a traffic jam in Buenos Aires in a tunnel (2 up fully loaded) @45ºC for about 45'. Luckily I had the shields on. Was riding at walking pace and when I got out the water temp gauge had 2 bars left and oil at 110ºc (using Motul;)) Bike was fine...just get one if you want one! ...Remember they are high performance engines and guess what...they get hot!:)
  11. BigMan73

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    Thanks for the feedback.
    I have no doubt it helps.
    My suggestion was a scientific way to accurately measure the heat at different points, not just to see if the heat can affect the ECU.
    The creator of this solution can improve it greatly, but applying iterations which are each based on temperature measurement, for example: at different points of the right and left legs, and also for the pillion.

    One thing I don't understand is why the wings do not cover more surface? (As I highlighted in Red below)
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  12. Mugatu

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    1- to access the knob used for the rear shock?
    2- because it would be ugly?
  13. GeorgeD

    GeorgeD KTM 1290SA

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    This is not the "wings cover" in the photo you quoted.
  14. Pork Butt

    Pork Butt Save the USA

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    we did a 200 mile ride with lots of changes in elevation and temps on the BRP yesterday. PBwife certainly noticed the heat being redirected down and out and at stops the surface of the Wings shields is noticeably hot certainly demonstrating how much heat is being rerouted.

    I did not use the heat blanket out of fear of the CPU getting roasted.


    PB
  15. BigMan73

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    Sorry, my bad. Mixed up your product with the 'Wings
    Cover'.

    But the question remains (to you too actually):
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    Why not cover more surface and better protect against heat?
    EDIT: There is clear line of sight in the photo above to the rear cylinder. This IMO means that heat can travel to the legs, when the bike is not moving.

    @Mugatu:
    1. There could be a hole in the cover for accessing the knob
    2. As for looks ugly, Function-Over-Form?!?
    Are we riding ADVs or HDs??
  16. Mugatu

    Mugatu Sidewalk adventurer

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    Yes but the frame is orange!!!
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    https://www.dropbox.com/s/v5099s3hc424a8p/20140709_104501.jpg
    I got, and installed mine a week ago. And they really make a differens. But the shield on the left makes filling up the Scottoiler a bit akward, and the shock absorber and other parts down there gets warmer than they used to. So far no indication of that being a problem.
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  18. RobZorba

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    The Wings side head shields look great and work great. On my 1190 R, the thermal mat supplied with the kit, to fit under the seat, causes too much heat build up and heat exiting from neat the tank and near the gap between rider and passenger seat. With the ergo seats I found it best to not use the wings heat shield mat. The gradual heat through the seat is fine.
  19. Corsica101

    Corsica101 Been here awhile

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    Lol these are my shields...There's no need for a bigger shield. It works perfect with the covered area. The heat doesn't reach your inner thighs any more and enough open area to vent out the heat, adjust shocks and have a scott oiler installed on the rear tube!...
  20. Pork Butt

    Pork Butt Save the USA

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    still happy with my purchase ....


    I saw 90+ F today dehydration was far more of a concern than the engine heat.


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    PB