KTM 2t EFI?

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  1. Shuffler

    Shuffler Hommes Grande

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    From Wikipedia:

    "In recent interviews KTM has revealed that they will continue to produce and improve 2-stroke bikes and have already begun looking at EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection). EFI will benefit the 2 stroke bikes because they will become more fuel efficient and will also produce less waste."

    Any merit to this?
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  2. ChrisC

    ChrisC Amal sex?

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    yes
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  3. Hair

    Hair Free to a good home.

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    Look at SeaDoo and what they are doing on snowmobles. They have part of the fuel being directly injected in to the cylinder head. They idle very clean. It's a great setup.
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  4. LILBIT

    LILBIT Ride you must.

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    Lot's of merit. Direct injection is already worked out for snowmobiles,outboards and jetskis. Perfect jetting on a twostroke dirt bike can be a chore due to weather and altitude changes. Much cleaner emmisions and less fuel used.

    Rumors of KTM selling the bike has been around for 2-3 years or more.
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  5. barnyard

    barnyard Verbal tactician Super Moderator

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    To get a good idea of the possibilities, look at the current line of Evinrude 2T outboard motors.

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  6. ejtv

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    I was talking to a local KTM dealer about the 250 and 300 XC's who mentioned the 2014 2 strokes may come with FI. Anybody heard anything like this about the 2014's?
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  7. Foot dragger

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    Lotsa riders are wanting 2 strokes these days,trailriders in particular.

    3 or 4 rebuilds on a neato ultra high tech 4 stroke pretty much turns guys away from them,not to mention there's no big advantage to dragging a heavier prone to overheating 4 stroke around the woods.

    Im hoping KTM breaks the 300cc barrier and comes out with an FI 400 or bigger 2 stroke,Im pretty sure they would sell out as quick as their other 2 strokes.
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  8. LukasM

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    The 2014 models are already out and they do not have FI.
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  9. Kawidad

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    It probably wouldn't matter anyway, Commiefornia would most likely never certify it or at the very least Red sticker it. :puke2
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  10. LukasM

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    I would think KTM could get their 2-strokes 50 state legal if they wanted to, they have always done so in Europe which has just as strict emissions standards. They do it by reducing power to around 5 HP, jetting super lean, putting a cat into the expansion chamber, etc.

    Guess there is not enough demand to justify the expense of DOT certifications etc.
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  11. gplassm

    gplassm Been here awhile

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    My take on FI'ed 2-stoke dirt bike's - It's all just speculation - until it's not. Ossa and Husky have been promising a FI'ed 2-stroke Enduro for over a year now. I still have not seen one. Getting into the US market is going to be tough for anybody who attempts it
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  12. MAXVERT

    MAXVERT OG on da OC

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    Sign me up for a 400 2stroke fi bike :clap

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  13. EduardoMas

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    http://www.ossacanada.ca/2012 Explorer 280i.pdf :D:D:D:D

    You can buy one from:
    www.langsoffroad.com

    I saw it in the flesh in Rob Lang's spot in the Toronto Motorcycle Show.

    So if one really wants one.... :D

    Cheers!
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  14. Honkey Cat

    Honkey Cat Tailights Fade!

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    Buy a ktm two stroke new in florida you can tag any ktm here as long as you tag it at dealer.
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  15. barnyard

    barnyard Verbal tactician Super Moderator

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    Actually, it will be really easy for KTM. They OWN the US 2t market and routinely sellout their allocation of 2t machines.

    There were many that thought e-start 2t was stupid. Turns out, they sell quite well.
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  16. Grreatdog

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    My own experience with direct injection outboards has not been great. So I don't know if I am ready to experiment with it on a motorcycle yet. I am no Luddite. I dig EFI in my cars and I would love for my next four stroke bike to be injected. But I just don't know if the technology for two stroke offroad bikes is robust enough for serious abuse yet.

    It can sure be frustrating in outboards. They run great new but don't age well at all. And, to me, the whole point of a two stroke is simplicity. Throw a new top end on the thing for a few bucks every couple of years and they run forever. Add on a couple of pumps, a couple of injectors plus a bunch of sensors and that simplicity is gone.

    Of course, the up side is the possibility of a 49 or 50 state legal two stroke EXC. :evil
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  17. Foot dragger

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    The latest issue of Dirt Bike magazine has a good editorial on whats involved in an injected 2 stroke. Its not as simple as putting an injector in the intake,or even the head. Basic injection works but isnt THAT much cleaner running in a 2 stroke. It gets complicated with the oil in gas issue,separate oil for crank bearings,etc,etc. It can be done and probably would have to be done to green sticker a 2 stroke.

    But,like the short lived 250MX 4 strokes of today,the breed should improve with years of messing around with it
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  18. WVa Dualsport

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    Since KTM kept Husaberg around primarily to use as a test bed for unproven tech, I'd hazard a guess that the first Euro direct injected two strokes will now be red and black(Husqvarna). Just a guess.
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    yeah, i was just at the dealer in spring hill last week... they had a sweet 200 XC something, i think it was an older bike w/out the magic button... fukkin' wicked light, felt like a mountain bike..... he sez, "yeah, i'll put a plate on that...."... for $7200, though.... ouch....
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    It isn't just Florida ........ :evil

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