KTM 640 Adv illumination

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  1. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Hi all,

    On the way back from Tech Daze, Creeper and I were having an "illuminating" :rofl discussion on lighting.

    This was prompted by vrago's search for a position on his bike for aux lighting and then followed up by Boejangles showing us his HID kit.

    If I remember correctly correctly, Creep was under the impression that there was not much available in the way of high watt H1 bulbs (I may have misunderstood).

    My bike's PO included some Hella bulbs which I looked at closer this AM. They are 12v 100w models and after a quick web search it appears that 12v H1's are available up to 130w (any issues with running this wattage?).

    I am currently running the PIAA 55w "extra' bulb, which I like fine, but I could always use more illumination :nod

    What I am getting at here is that I would like more illumination and utilize the current light openings (if possible). HID is a real possibility in one headlight, but what to do with the other :ear - 2 HID's still do not make sense to me...

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  2. Loadedagain

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    why dat?
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  3. Renazco

    Renazco Formerly AKA Boejangles

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    More wattage? quite possible the stock wires won't be able to handle it.
    If you did an auxillary light direct from battery with proper gauge I see no problem other than sucking the life out of your existing lights (dimming) Not sure what the alt can handle??
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  4. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Perhaps I do not understand the concept so well, eh?

    Here is how I see it. 2 HID's mounted so close to one another do not amount to any more illumination or different pattern (or do the different lenses make for different - i.e. more effective light pattern).

    What say you Colin :ear

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  5. cbob

    cbob Been here awhile

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    On my twin H4 bulbed ST1100 the pattern is different on the left as the right. In UK and other wrong side countries they make a different headlight (reflector) or make you instal a "patch" on the lens to keep the other side from being blinded.

    2 HID's give twice as much light, and HID's consume less power, so if you've got gobs of money then go for it. The problem is in blinding oncoming traffic. Use low beam and you can't see further than way less than you are traveling. I've decided driving (not fog) lights are the way to go but have yet to instal.

    So many projects, so little time.

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  6. Loadedagain

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    your oem lamps have different patterns. one is a projector and the other is not. having 2 hid lamps beside each other gives twice the light of one if both on at the same time.

    that brings up another argument which has 2 sides.

    should you run both lamps at the same time?

    the yes side says... the ktm engineers only have one on at a time because two draw too much current. once you have the hid's installed you have a combined wattage of 70, so excessive draw is no longer a consideration. run both. you get twice as much light.

    the no side says... the ktm engineers have one light on at a time for a reason. optics and how our brains interpret the stuff our eyes see. when your high beam is on you want to see down the road. high beams are long range. the low beam has a wide patern that focuses on close range. having the close stuff lit up brightly and the far away stuff at the same time messes up yer brain. it forces your body (whether you like it or not) to spend time and energy looking at things which are of little concern... the close stuff. the stuff you should be looking at is the far away stuff. have no fear... it will be close soon!

    all passenger cars made today shut off driving lights and low beams when the high beams are turned on. for those who claim ktm made their bikes do this because of current draw... why do automobiles do it? :evil

    if you change to hid. replace both!
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  7. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Thanks for the education Colin :thumb

    Boejangles was showing off the kit he is holding hostage from you :lol3 and he has me hot to upgrade my lighting as well:nod

    Sounds like two is the way to go and I personally like the idea of being able to illuminate both of them and utilize both patterns...


    M
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  8. Loadedagain

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    but having both on at the same time is a nono :nono ... leave it as an option as sometimes both may be cool. wire in a second relay though so you can have just your high beam on if you want.
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    boejangles must hid me. he must...
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  10. Renazco

    Renazco Formerly AKA Boejangles

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    I must hid me first, I must.
    To make sure hid, I trust.

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    you dirty boy...
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  12. creeper

    creeper Still alive...

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    I have 37 Surefire lights duct taped to my hemet... I do. By the time I turn on the last one, the first one has gone dead. :cry
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  13. meat popsicle

    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    who left the chicken coop open? :dunno

    anywho, you might check out this site for bulbs - they have a big selection (its where i got my horns):

    http://www.rallylights.com/

    specifically: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/bulbs.asp

    HL88950S Replacement Bulb, H1 12V, 55W, Xenon +100%, Optilux XP $14.94

    (aren't the stock bulbs 55W? PASSY, you runnin 100Ws?!?) Anyways, these are supposed to be about 30% brighter than standard H1s. :evil

    There are also have Yellow Star fog bulbs, but I would want a third for a fog, unless the low beam HID was a bright and illuminated like the high beam :D

    HL78105Y Replacement Bulb, H1 12V, 55W, Yellow Star $6.02

    PS - note the prices on the HID capsules!!! :eek1 how often do you have to change these?!?

    In the long run I would look at HID upgrades for one of my lights. But for decent pricing, buy the ballast/ignitor wiring and bulb separately - the kits seem to charge a ridiculous premium just for the convenience of a bundled package... :nod
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  14. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    I know I have a PIAA 55w in the low slot and I will have to check what I have in the high slot... I suspect it is the Hella 100w since that was what was in the low slot when I got it.

    I think the PIAA 55w's claim that it runs like a 100w is fair. When I flip on my high beam it is difficult to see any discernable difference.

    M
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  15. meat popsicle

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    ah good you can blame any problems on the previous owner. so the PIAAs are bright, maybe they are zenon charged as well. :dunno - were they cheaper than the Hellas? $15 bucks is cheap for a fancy bulb; way better than the $100+ HID "capsules"... :arg
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  16. PASSMORE

    PASSMORE Just the last name...

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    Nope, not cheap, but then again I got them at the local BMW place :rofl $26.

    I am sure you could get them for much cheaper on the web somewhere.

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  17. meat popsicle

    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    :up - the hella ones might even be better than the PIAAs :dunno
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  18. Mack

    Mack Gone, but never forgotten. RIP, Mack...

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    I would be really carefull with any of the higher wattage bulbs. Even in car applications, anything over 80 watts tends to smoke the backshells of the connectors at a minimum, and often frys the wires as well. I have not examined the wiring and circuits of the ADV, but I find it hard to believe that it is the same gauge, etc.

    I used to run some higher wattage bulbs in my RZ350, let me tell you frying the wiring at 2:00am on a dark rainy night out in the boondocks in the middle of a sweeper is not fun. I ended up driving home with the both turn signals rigged to stay on, with the lens off..............

    On the other hand using a relay, and running some heavier gauge wires off the battery should work well, as they ADV headlights seem pretty resistant to heat.

    Just my unsolicited .02 Cheers, Mack
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  19. meat popsicle

    meat popsicle Ignostic

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    Good advice Mack, just wanted to point out that I was recommending 55W H1s that are Xenon charged and purported to put out and additional 30% with the same wattage... :free light? for $15 bucks a bulb its a cheap find.
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  20. lvdukerider

    lvdukerider Las Vegas Nevada

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    I have a H.I.D. kit on the low beam of my Duke II and it works quite niceley for me,and when you pull the little flash to pass switch the high beam comes on momentairly (non H.I.D.) along with the low beam. One question, when I first start the bike up and switch on the low beam the tach and tail lamp go dead for a few seconds while the H.I.D. warms up? Does anyone know if the ballest which I have wrapped in fome rubber mounted next to the tach draws more current during initial start up than a regular bulb? I was under the impression that H.I.D. was supposed to draw less than stock? It seems to tax the charging system initially but works fine after the bike runs for a few seconds with the H.I.D, on?
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