KTM 690 E & TuneECU

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Maurizio, May 9, 2011.

  1. AMa.

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    You can use it. 2011 SMC EU maps and 2011 Enduro R US maps are identical.

    SMC maps:
    KM765EU11B0201EPMap
    KM765EU11B0201FIMap
  2. AMa.

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    EU bikes have SAS.

    You can make modified maps by copy-paste with TuneECU. For example last summer I had following mod:

    Switch position 1: Stock 2012 map for stock exhaust and stock airbox
    Switch position 2: EVO1 map for Wings 83dB killer and Powerparts airbox lid
    Switch position 3: EVO1 map +4% fuel trim for Wings 90dB setup (just in case)

    It worked well. This way you don't have to flash the ECU and do 15 min initialization run every time you change your pipe/airbox lid.
  3. DirtJack

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    Great idea, but wouldn't you want to do a reset-adaptation and 15 min idle when changing the switch position?
  4. dmckiwi

    dmckiwi Louder is always better

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    A friend of mine has a 690r '09 thats been having an issue when starting, the bike starts fine from dead cold but once its been ridden and left to sit for a while it won't fire, you can crank it and it just cranks and cranks but won't fire unless you give it a little throttle.

    He originally had a wings pipe on it and had the akra map but has put the standard pipe back on to see if that makes any difference which is doesn't, he had risers on the bars and the throttle cables were a bit tight so we re-routed those to take some tension off the cables, I connected it up to my computer and checked the voltage and it was all correct so he tried it for a few weeks to see if the cables were the issues but it made no difference.

    Today I went around and we pulled the airbox out and tested the voltages open and closed which were all correct and within the factory range, the TPS was 3-98% even after the throttle reset. After confirming the voltages were all correct I remapped it from the Akra map that was on it to the factory maps, reset the throttle and did the 15min idle. After that the TPS had changed to 1-98% so better but not perfect. We wondered if the throttle cables could be still a bit tight so we tried adjusting each cable in and out half a turn but saw no difference in the % figures so set them back to where we started.
    So after setting it back to the factory map, confirming voltages and have the TPS at 1-98% we left it for 20-30mins to see if the issue was resolved, hit the starter and same issue as before, its cranks until you give it a touch of throttle and then starts. He's going to run it for the week with the standard pipe to see what its like and then we'll put the wings pipe back on and I'll map it back to Akra map and try for another week.

    As far as the bike goes its got a new fuel filter, new battery, no broke cables as far as we can see and its well serviced and apart from the starting issue when warm runs really well, it had the error code from disconnecting the air sensor when we had the airbox off but I cleared that and everything else was fine, is there something we are missing re the TPS being 1-98% or something else we should be checking?? I had hoped to find the voltage out and an adjustment would fix it but not luck, any suggestions would be welcomed as would love to fix it.
  5. AMa.

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    Yes, if the hardware setup has been changed I would. If only mapping changes it doesn't need re-adaptation as far as I think -> at least when the changes are minor, like a little fuel trim.

    The idea of having a stock map onboard was to be able to run the bike with decent amount of fuel if I -for some reason- change my stock pipe on and do not have a possibilty install stock map to bike ECU. It is not perfect solution, but it is better than the filthy-rich :slurpthe EVO1 map is squirting.

    Now I have a different setup. I have EVO2 air filter and modified EVO1 map with 0%, 3% and 6% fuel added. Attached video link will explain more, and hopefully will give a idea of throtte smoothness and response + sounds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt4hf23zOWM
  6. AMa.

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    Was the throttle calibration done (ON-open slowly-close slowly-OFF (with the key))?

    Was the 15 min idle done starting with stone-cold engine?

    Is the intake setup changed between 15min re-adaptations?

    Are the SAI and O2 checked OFF in the Akramap? Is the SAS and O2 hardware still mounted to the bike and operational (not plugged etc) ?

    Have you tried without the raisers?

    I have similar TPS readings without issues. I never get 0-100%.
  7. Gustavo.Ramos

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    that bike sounds whicked and it feels like even with such a small vid.

    Would that set up also fit a 09 690R?


  8. fluff34567

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    can someone confirm that for a 2010 enduro with a LV exhaust/standard filter i should use the smc maps?

    the SMC maps are richer though?
  9. AMa.

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    Why not. You have to modify the bike-specific map, 2012 and 2009 are not inter-changeable.

    If you have EU bike you should use this as a "mother" map for mods:
    KM765EU0800231FI for fuel trim
    KM765EU0800231EP for throttle trim

    If you have US bike, I think it is OK anyway to use those maps. With TuneECU "Compare" -function I did not manage to find any differences between 08-10 EU and US stock maps. There was no US "akramap" available.
  10. AMa.

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    SMC maps and Enduro maps ( KM765xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) are the same as far as I have compared them with each other. I have not checked EVERY map.

    I suggest you get rid of the stock filter, it is the most restricting item. You will get very little or no power gain at all with just the slip-on and software.
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    When was the last valve clearance check done? Tight valves can also cause starting issues.
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    i did a compare also and couldnt see any differences.

    im not after power, the idea behind the slip on was just to get rid of the cat.
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    I was told by Gorazd-The-Wings-Dealer that small or large noise killer does not require mapping. Without does (=Akramap). I'm not familiar with the LV pipes. Maybe You should email LeoVince?
  14. Noyah

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    Stock filter actually have good airflow, better then alot of foam filters. Sucks when wet tho.
    The gain is in the lid or no lid :thumbup:
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    Sir, you are 100% right. I was not precise with my output, apologies for that.

    Any of those solutions in this picture is way better than stock. None of them is significantly better than the other. "Modattu vakio" is my native language meaning modified stock. It has a couple of holes drilled and standard coolant hoses routed through them to avoid water splattering. I have measured the effect of them all by 10Hz GPS datalogger and the acceleration curve over RPM made no real difference. But compared to stock did, though.

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  16. dmckiwi

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    Calibration was done, we tried that a couple of weeks ago and made no difference, the Akra map was from the dealers so everything was on and no errors, I've changed it back to the factory map and recalibrated everthing again. Haven't taken the risers off but re-routed the cables to under the throttle to make sure they weren't stretched, saying that it did it from before those were fitted. Valve clearances are in range to my knowledge, he is a bike mechanic and his bikes are always spot on so confident thats not an issue.

    I also have a similar thread on Supermotojunkie as I have a Duke, sounds like the TPS figures are correct showing 1-3% down low just not sure if I should be seeing more the 98% up top, sounds like from all the feedback so far even though its giving the correct voltages thats still most likely the issue, the suggestions seem to be look at raising those voltages to the higher end of the range and see if that works. I think we will just go over the free play in the throttle again and then adjust the voltages up a little and hopefully that will fix it.
  17. DirtJack

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    There is an idle adjustment I think. What is idle RPM when running at normal operating temperature?
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    As above I have the same issues. My tps is 1-98% , cant remember the voltage exactly but 0.65v sound familiar.
    My idle is showing as 1650rpm. SAI and O2 are checked on with a Lv can SAS is installed.

    sent using my fingers and voodoo magic.
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    Turn SAI off (it is used only during warm-up to start CAT in stock can which you no longer have). Take SAS off since you have a Lv.
  20. AMa.

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    KTM 690 stalling and jerking issues end up time to time with a remedy to modify the F-L map to 10,10,0,0,0,0,0 which means practically pure F-map usage. In that mod 10% L-map is used in in 1000-1300 rpm. The bike idles at 1600-1700 rpm.

    The remedy is usually for 654cc bikes, (-2011). I wanted to find out if it works in 690cc LC4 too.

    I have a well-functioning, already modified EVO1 map in my bike. It has following mods:

    F1: "Stock" EVO1 KM765EU12B0231
    F2: +3% pulse width
    F3: +6% pulse width

    L1: "Stock" EVO1 KM765EU12B0231
    L2: +3% pulse width
    L3: +6% pulse width

    SAI OFF
    O2 ON

    Otherwise as KM765EU12B0231 -> that was the "mothermap" I modified with F-L values of 10,10,0,0,0,0,0. "Stock EVO1" has much higher values, for exaple there is 55% in 3000 rpm and 59% in 4000 rpm. So the bike uses L-map practically always except WFO.


    Video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw0J4bVg97w&feature=youtu.be

    Throtte response was slow compared to "Stock EVO1" and stalling occured near idle. You have pay attention on your throttle when cruising near idle.