KTM 690 Enduro - get 2009 or 2012?

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by 1kstep, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. 1kstep

    1kstep knewb

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    do I get a used 2009 690 or wait for the 12 and get it new? The 2012 is a true 690 vs the 650 of the 09. The used 690 has been tricked out with 450 forks, leo vince exhaust, larger tank, 2K miles, and has had the fueling problems sorted and comes with stock plastics and tank. The owner is asking $7900.

    AFAIK the upside to the used bike is:
    lower cost
    parts availability
    some cool mods

    downsides:
    not the mods I'd do (I'd get the FMF Q4)
    history of the bike unknown

    My goal for this project is to have a desert bike that can do 150 - 200 miles and camp but is still a dirt bike. I have a Husky TE450 but the maintenance interval is too short for this duty.

    Chad P.
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  2. Velociraptor

    Velociraptor TrackBum

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    2K miles is pretty low miles for an 09 so assuming the bike is reliable it would save some bucks. I have an 09 and love it. The 12 will make more power but the 650 motor makes a ton of power too. Only reason to buy the 12 might be that maybe some small issues have been sorted with the fuel injection but I have no idea if that's true.
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  3. mickd

    mickd crash test dummie

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    please dont go by the low miles on the clock,95% of the time its wrong,if you have the money buy new,or if you know the true history of a second hand bike then buy it

    only my 2 cents worth
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  4. xcflyn

    xcflyn Long timer

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    Are a 2011 and 2012 the same ? Did they do any changes to make it worth spending more on a new 12 or just pick up a new 11 and save some bucks (not just price, but insurance and registration) ?
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  5. v8toilet

    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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    I thought rumor was the 2012 would have more improvements than just more power. Rumors...
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  6. xcflyn

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    V8, are you supposed to be on OC ??? :rofl Funny were both here.

    So a 12 has more HP ? is that just mapping, like the big brother- just need to get tunes ?
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  7. Night Falcon

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    think you'll find the 2012 690 is actually a 690 and not a 654 like all previous models
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  8. xcflyn

    xcflyn Long timer

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    Do you think there is going to be some teething problems with the bigger displacement. One thing that comes to mind when I think about more CC's in the same package is the 450/530. A lot of people (myself included) like the lesser displacement for quicker revs and the slightly better handling that less moving internal mass (450=smaller piston) affords. Maybe the 2011 will prove to be a little sweeter then the 2012 over all ? I am just asking this not saying it is so.
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  9. v8toilet

    v8toilet Nothing to see here.

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    I had a brief affair with a 690. I keep trying to make the little bikes into big ones and the big ones into little ones.
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  10. 1kstep

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    The 2012 690 R will sport a 690 instead of a 654 CC displacement. The suspension is also going to change from the 2011. I want to set this bike up to be a long distance desert bike (giant loop bag, Lynx fairing). I can't find a new 2011 in California and any transport will run ~500 bucks. I will wait til 2012. Thanks for your input.
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  11. LukasM

    LukasM Long timer

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    So in the mean time, is there anybody who has owned both the 654cc and 690cc models who can give us a comparison how the engine feels?
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  12. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    The first batch of USA bound 2012 models are not on dealer floors yet. Maybe another week. However, I read the 690 is actually the Duke motor of the last two seasons. The new Duke motor has a dual spark head, better fuel economy and some other refinements.
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  13. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    Anyone with more opinion on 2012 vs older models? Looking at a mildly used 2011 vs new 2012. I understand the 2012 has a lower seat height and is a true 690cc, anything else of note that might make one a better buy than the other?
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  14. SKINNY

    SKINNY Been here awhile

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    I'm picking up a 2012 model tomorrow...I have a 2008 that has been trouble free since day one...I will soon be able to give a direct comparison between the new, bigger motor and the original...
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  15. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    Sweet, look forward to your thoughts. I like the 2011 model with the taller seat height but that issue is negligible IMO.
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  16. Lucifer666

    Lucifer666 Been here awhile

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    The 2012 has:
    - a better seat then previous models (still crap, but hey it's an enduro)
    - it's a real 690cc engine (increased power)
    - better headlight then previous models
    - the seat hight is about 20mm lower then previous models (= less suspension travel)
    - new side panels
    - some other small improvements
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  17. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    Thanks Lucifer, I did get the chance to look over and sit on both a 2012 and 2011. I like the taller seat height of the 2011, being a tall guy. The slight bump in power for a bike that wasn't lacking power by anyones account doesn't do it for me but the better headlight is a bonus. Likely there are even better after market options out there. I suspect the suspension despite loosing a little travel is still among the best out there but would like to hear from those who have ridden both 2012 and older models.
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  18. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    Pulled the trigger on a 2012 right off the show room floor, did a fair deal aI think and can't wait to pick it up on Friday!!
    Pic to follow in the 690 forum.
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  19. Woundflatout

    Woundflatout Been here awhile

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    I picked up my 2012 on Friday. Came off a 990 and wasn't sure if the 690 would get the 'ol adrenaline going in the power department. This thing flat out rips. I did a few 3/4 throttle runs up to 6k and it is easily as quick or quicker than my HP2 or my 990. So happy!
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  20. CanadianX

    CanadianX Oh!? That is deep.

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    Giving up my 05 VFR, what a great bike really hate to let it go :cry but it is time for someone else to enjoy it. I hope the KTM is at least half as reliable as the VFR as half of zero issues is still zero :D I'm keeping my big bike (GSA) as it is the two up beast of burden but it won't see the harder (relative to the GSA and my skills) trails anymore as this will be the 690s play ground. Should keep each other good company in my garage for many years to come.
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